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in reply to a message by Mike C
Just a small correction to your FAQ on juniors...
"The Junior must be the child of the parent, not a grandson or granddaughter."
******Okay.
"The names must be exactly the same, including the middle name."
******Okay.
"The parent must still be living. Once the parent dies the Junior becomes a 'II'."
******Nuh-uh. At least, not according to the etiquette books I was brought up on. :) A "Junior" never becomes a "II" when his father dies -- he simply drops the "Jr." appellation. It is a "III" who becomes a "Jr." or a "II" when the original name-bearer dies. The reason why one "moves up" in numbering, is because numeral appellations are neither inherited nor permanent -- unless you happen to be royalty. :)
"II is used whenever any ancestor, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
******Okay.
-- Nanaea
"The Junior must be the child of the parent, not a grandson or granddaughter."
******Okay.
"The names must be exactly the same, including the middle name."
******Okay.
"The parent must still be living. Once the parent dies the Junior becomes a 'II'."
******Nuh-uh. At least, not according to the etiquette books I was brought up on. :) A "Junior" never becomes a "II" when his father dies -- he simply drops the "Jr." appellation. It is a "III" who becomes a "Jr." or a "II" when the original name-bearer dies. The reason why one "moves up" in numbering, is because numeral appellations are neither inherited nor permanent -- unless you happen to be royalty. :)
"II is used whenever any ancestor, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
******Okay.
-- Nanaea
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Sure, I'll add it to the total
but since you're correcting material that's in progress you only get 3/4 of a point. ;)
but since you're correcting material that's in progress you only get 3/4 of a point. ;)
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You're killin' me with these fractions, Mike! LOL!
Okay, here's the online reference you'd asked for in e-mail. It's from somebody writing on RootsWeb, and quoting from the same exact passage of *Amy Vanderbilt's Etiquette* that I rely upon in matters such as these:
> "A man who is a Jr., a II, a III or possibly a IV, usually needs
> to take action when the preceding holder of the name dies. A 'Jr.'
> usually drops the 'Jr.' unless there would be what I call a
> confusion in history. In other words, if the father were so well
> known and perhaps [the Jr.] himself is so well known that to drop
> the 'Jr.' might cause public confusion. As the man who is called
> 'II' is NOT named for his father BUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, perhaps an
> uncle or a grandfather of the same name, he drops his suffix on
> the death of the holder of the name unless there is a possibility,
> too, of a confusion in history."
Your online reference can be found here:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/messages/96aug/3840
-- Nanaea
Okay, here's the online reference you'd asked for in e-mail. It's from somebody writing on RootsWeb, and quoting from the same exact passage of *Amy Vanderbilt's Etiquette* that I rely upon in matters such as these:
> "A man who is a Jr., a II, a III or possibly a IV, usually needs
> to take action when the preceding holder of the name dies. A 'Jr.'
> usually drops the 'Jr.' unless there would be what I call a
> confusion in history. In other words, if the father were so well
> known and perhaps [the Jr.] himself is so well known that to drop
> the 'Jr.' might cause public confusion. As the man who is called
> 'II' is NOT named for his father BUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, perhaps an
> uncle or a grandfather of the same name, he drops his suffix on
> the death of the holder of the name unless there is a possibility,
> too, of a confusion in history."
Your online reference can be found here:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/messages/96aug/3840
-- Nanaea
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Oops, amendment....
"II is used whenever any ancestor, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
Should be:
"II is used whenever any LIVING, CLOSE RELATION, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
-- Nanaea
"II is used whenever any ancestor, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
Should be:
"II is used whenever any LIVING, CLOSE RELATION, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
-- Nanaea
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