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Re: Vaclav and Venceslav

by Sofia

7/16/2010, 8:23 PM

in reply to a message by Mike C

This is what I managed to find:

Vaclav is a Czech male name, that is a short form of Vaceslav.

Venceslav is a male name derived from Venceslaus (which in itself is a Latinate form derived from Slavic Veceslavb).

Meaning: from 'vace/vece' meaning big, bigger and 'slav' meaning glory.

So in short, Old Slavic name Veceslavb was turned into Latinate Venceslaus and all other forms derived from one of these two or a combination of them and we get - Vaclav, Vaceslav, Vjenceslav, Vjenćeslav, Venceslav, Ventseslav, Venceslas, Vyacheslav, Wenceslaus, Wenceslas... (pretty much every Slavic language has it's own form).

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This message was edited 7/16/2010, 8:55 PM

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- Mike C +5

7/18/2010, 3:03 PM

Does this diagram make sense?

Veceslavb (Slavic)
    ->Vaceslav (Czech)
        ->Vaclav (Czech)
            ->Waclaw (Polish)
    ->Venceslaus (Latin)
        ->Wenceslaus
        ->Venceslav (Czech)
        ->Ventseslav (Bulgarian)
    ->Vyacheslav (Russian)

- Sofia +4

7/18/2010, 4:53 PM

That's about right, you can just add the Polish Wenceslas under Wenceslaus and the Croatian version Vjeceslav under Veceslavb (btw, the Polish King/ Saint's name is Wenceslaus officially. I guess his 'street' name was Wenceslas -as most royals had Latin versions of their names at the time).

This message was edited 7/18/2010, 4:56 PM

- Kirke (guest) +1

7/20/2010, 7:11 PM

The saint was Duke of Bohemia not king of Poland. In Polish he's called Saint Wacław. If by street you mean the square it's called Plac Wacława in Polish.

- Sofia

7/20/2010, 8:52 PM

I meant the King from the song (and there were other kings with this name, but only the Duke was sainted). And by street I mean his shortened name (that's why street has '').

- Mike C +1

7/19/2010, 10:26 AM

Thank you!

How would you spell Veceslavb in Cyrillic? What does that c represent?

- Sofia

7/19/2010, 12:21 PM

In this case the c is just a c (pr. tz), not a č or ć (pr. ch). Although in some languages the 'vece' part turned into 'veće' (like in modern Croatian) and we have two versions of the name (Vjeceslav and Vjećeslav), it is a normal c in Vaclac, Veceslavb, etc.

About spelling Veceslavb in Cyrillic it depends on the language, I only know Serbian Cyrillic and it would be 'Вeцecлaвб'.

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