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Nanaea, I have nothing against you.
In a previous posting you said something towards being a satanist.
I thought that's what I meant.
if you do or not, it would make no difference to who you are.
Maybe I read it wrong, it was really just a question.
I wasn't trying to say anyting derogatory about you, or satanists, it was just a curiousity.
I was not trying to act innocent.
Of course I don't want to get into a 'flame war' with you.
I also noticed that on this site, you have a vast expanse of knowledge, a wide variety of resources, and a nack you simply can't learn for relating names.
I have a great deal of respect for your abilites.
I am deeply sorry that my comment would of come off that way to you, of accusing you of something you are not.
I do believe afterwards though, you said to me something along the lines of
'No, but dont worry Silver, it's not the first time you make a wrong assumption on this bored.'
Maybe you did mean that matter of factly, but it can off quite hurt and cruel.
I actually felt pain upon reading that, and it was only intesified as others joined in, and it kept going.
I want to apologize for saying what I said to you, but I was actualy worried about being told of, well.. this kind of thing before i even started.
Perhaps just a clash of personalities.
I don't appreciate being called a fool though.
And I have not been lurking, I never said I have been around here a long time watching.
Just that I read previous messages.
I only came on for 3 days reading all messages that were posted in November.
"If you can learn to "play nice" on this board" comments like that are uncalled for, and make me feel very childish.
I have made my decision to leave, and I stick by it,
I wish i could of benefitted from your knowledge and everyone else's here.
If I am in real name of a origin or meaning I may post, but not so that I am known.
Once again I'm sorry for that comment coming off wrong, and causing turmoil, but it takes two to fight, I was not entirely in the fault.
Best of luck to all.
~SilverDragon of Ryuchia
~Ahri Fallin of the Tribe of the Sacred
~Fennecaria of the Tribe Desert Fox
Best known as
~Ashley Cameron of Canada (eh? ^_^)
In a previous posting you said something towards being a satanist.
I thought that's what I meant.
if you do or not, it would make no difference to who you are.
Maybe I read it wrong, it was really just a question.
I wasn't trying to say anyting derogatory about you, or satanists, it was just a curiousity.
I was not trying to act innocent.
Of course I don't want to get into a 'flame war' with you.
I also noticed that on this site, you have a vast expanse of knowledge, a wide variety of resources, and a nack you simply can't learn for relating names.
I have a great deal of respect for your abilites.
I am deeply sorry that my comment would of come off that way to you, of accusing you of something you are not.
I do believe afterwards though, you said to me something along the lines of
'No, but dont worry Silver, it's not the first time you make a wrong assumption on this bored.'
Maybe you did mean that matter of factly, but it can off quite hurt and cruel.
I actually felt pain upon reading that, and it was only intesified as others joined in, and it kept going.
I want to apologize for saying what I said to you, but I was actualy worried about being told of, well.. this kind of thing before i even started.
Perhaps just a clash of personalities.
I don't appreciate being called a fool though.
And I have not been lurking, I never said I have been around here a long time watching.
Just that I read previous messages.
I only came on for 3 days reading all messages that were posted in November.
"If you can learn to "play nice" on this board" comments like that are uncalled for, and make me feel very childish.
I have made my decision to leave, and I stick by it,
I wish i could of benefitted from your knowledge and everyone else's here.
If I am in real name of a origin or meaning I may post, but not so that I am known.
Once again I'm sorry for that comment coming off wrong, and causing turmoil, but it takes two to fight, I was not entirely in the fault.
Best of luck to all.
~SilverDragon of Ryuchia
~Ahri Fallin of the Tribe of the Sacred
~Fennecaria of the Tribe Desert Fox
Best known as
~Ashley Cameron of Canada (eh? ^_^)
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Oh my non-existant deities!
(Being an atheist with almost entirely Jewish friends can get odd at times. Hence the strange subject - no offense intended to those who worship existant deities)
This is the first time on this board I've seen someone apologize to the locals after a fight. O_O Everything so far that I've witnessed has ended in them posting about Nanaea's/Andrea's/whoever's evil nature and making snide remarks about their mental health.
*sees a pig fly by*
I've seen clashes like these before - well, who hasn't? Usually, in my limited experience, it's when people who are comfortable enough with each other to joke around a lot come into contact with people who don't realize they are joking. My friends and I hardly ever say things without irony, sarcasm, or just plain silliness - thus anyone overhearing our conversations is either offended, terrified, or amused. It can get like that on message boards, including here.
It's nice that you both apologized. I made the same mistake about Satanism, I think - fortunately, not to a Satanist's face. ^_^ Went to research it, read several websites about Satanism, got even more confused than before. But I think I'm starting to get it now.
Nanaea, if you're reading this far down, can you help me?
1) Do some Satanists worship a Satan (not the Christian Devil, but a Satan)? Any Satanists? Previous Satanists, as opposed to modern Satanists?
2) Is the philosophy of Satanism body over mind?
That's all I've been able to tentatively gather.
All right - thus end Lilith's random schpiel for the day.
-Lilith
P. S. The annoying thing is, I wrote this nice, long, pseudo-intelligent post, and of course no one will read it 'cos it's so far down. >:^(
(Being an atheist with almost entirely Jewish friends can get odd at times. Hence the strange subject - no offense intended to those who worship existant deities)
This is the first time on this board I've seen someone apologize to the locals after a fight. O_O Everything so far that I've witnessed has ended in them posting about Nanaea's/Andrea's/whoever's evil nature and making snide remarks about their mental health.
*sees a pig fly by*
I've seen clashes like these before - well, who hasn't? Usually, in my limited experience, it's when people who are comfortable enough with each other to joke around a lot come into contact with people who don't realize they are joking. My friends and I hardly ever say things without irony, sarcasm, or just plain silliness - thus anyone overhearing our conversations is either offended, terrified, or amused. It can get like that on message boards, including here.
It's nice that you both apologized. I made the same mistake about Satanism, I think - fortunately, not to a Satanist's face. ^_^ Went to research it, read several websites about Satanism, got even more confused than before. But I think I'm starting to get it now.
Nanaea, if you're reading this far down, can you help me?
1) Do some Satanists worship a Satan (not the Christian Devil, but a Satan)? Any Satanists? Previous Satanists, as opposed to modern Satanists?
2) Is the philosophy of Satanism body over mind?
That's all I've been able to tentatively gather.
All right - thus end Lilith's random schpiel for the day.
-Lilith
P. S. The annoying thing is, I wrote this nice, long, pseudo-intelligent post, and of course no one will read it 'cos it's so far down. >:^(
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"1) Do some Satanists worship a Satan (not the Christian Devil, but a Satan)? Any Satanists? Previous Satanists, as opposed to modern Satanists?"
Some do. Most don’t. Those which do, call themselves “Traditional Satanists.” (Satanists call them something else.)
The majority which don’t, are the “Modern Satanists” – or just plain “Satanists”. Satanists don’t worship any living deity. Rather Satanists *emulate* the archetype which is called “Satan”. In literature, Satan himself refused to bow down in worship to any deity or authority figure, therefore it’s silly for anyone calling him- or herself a Satanist to do what Satan himself wouldn’t do.
From the FAQ at the Satanism 101 website: "Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity, much as it could be labeled inverse Christianity. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture. Some Satanists choose different aspects of this archetype, depending on geography or just plain aesthetics, but the same characteristics still hold true. It would make little sense for us to claim to embody the archetypal qualities of Satan (rebellion, rational self-interest, carnality, etc.) on one hand, and then attempt to worship an anthropomorphic Satan on the other. In laymen's terms, it's hardly rebellious to worship a figure that represents rebellion. Devil worshipers need to be subjugated, ask for it by their own actions. The Satanist finds such unproductive and one-sided activities to be draining and useless (not to mention hypocritical)."
"2) Is the philosophy of Satanism body over mind?"
I’m not sure I understand this question. Satanism is a belief-system which celebrates physical indulgence, as well as rational thought, creativity, and individualism.
I dunno if that's cleared up anything for you, but I appreciate the "nice, long, pseudo-intellectual post". :)
And hey! It wasn't so far down the page that I didn't notice it. :)
-- Nanaea
Some do. Most don’t. Those which do, call themselves “Traditional Satanists.” (Satanists call them something else.)
The majority which don’t, are the “Modern Satanists” – or just plain “Satanists”. Satanists don’t worship any living deity. Rather Satanists *emulate* the archetype which is called “Satan”. In literature, Satan himself refused to bow down in worship to any deity or authority figure, therefore it’s silly for anyone calling him- or herself a Satanist to do what Satan himself wouldn’t do.
From the FAQ at the Satanism 101 website: "Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity, much as it could be labeled inverse Christianity. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture. Some Satanists choose different aspects of this archetype, depending on geography or just plain aesthetics, but the same characteristics still hold true. It would make little sense for us to claim to embody the archetypal qualities of Satan (rebellion, rational self-interest, carnality, etc.) on one hand, and then attempt to worship an anthropomorphic Satan on the other. In laymen's terms, it's hardly rebellious to worship a figure that represents rebellion. Devil worshipers need to be subjugated, ask for it by their own actions. The Satanist finds such unproductive and one-sided activities to be draining and useless (not to mention hypocritical)."
"2) Is the philosophy of Satanism body over mind?"
I’m not sure I understand this question. Satanism is a belief-system which celebrates physical indulgence, as well as rational thought, creativity, and individualism.
I dunno if that's cleared up anything for you, but I appreciate the "nice, long, pseudo-intellectual post". :)
And hey! It wasn't so far down the page that I didn't notice it. :)
-- Nanaea
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Yay!
Thanks :) That certainly cleared some things up. Physical indulgence...hehe. Sounds like my religion, Lazy Taoism (rather, my religion after I've had a schmidgen too much caffeine).
I asked the second question 'cos a friend of mine had recently supplied me with some information on Wicca for a project, and said info included a paragraph stating that Wiccans believe in mind over body and Satanists believe in body over mind. Dunno.
Thanks again for the info - maybe now I can convince my history class I'm not crazy for insisting that Satanism is a religion like anything else and deserves respect. Well, maybe not. They already decided I was nuts after a friend and I began to complain because the romance archetype discriminates against evil people. Still.
-Lilith
Thanks :) That certainly cleared some things up. Physical indulgence...hehe. Sounds like my religion, Lazy Taoism (rather, my religion after I've had a schmidgen too much caffeine).
I asked the second question 'cos a friend of mine had recently supplied me with some information on Wicca for a project, and said info included a paragraph stating that Wiccans believe in mind over body and Satanists believe in body over mind. Dunno.
Thanks again for the info - maybe now I can convince my history class I'm not crazy for insisting that Satanism is a religion like anything else and deserves respect. Well, maybe not. They already decided I was nuts after a friend and I began to complain because the romance archetype discriminates against evil people. Still.
-Lilith
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"I asked the second question 'cos a friend of mine had recently supplied me with some information on Wicca for a project, and said info included a paragraph stating that Wiccans believe in mind over body and Satanists believe in body over mind. Dunno."
****** Now, that amuses me. :) Does this Wiccan religious tract go further to explain what it means by that? Let's just say that Satanists believe in "body" over delusion. ;)
"Thanks again for the info - maybe now I can convince my history class I'm not crazy for insisting that Satanism is a religion like anything else and deserves respect."
****** Tell your history class that the United States Army is convinced that Satanism is a religion, and the U.S. Army Chaplains Manual includes information for their chaplains on Satanism.
-- Nanaea
****** Now, that amuses me. :) Does this Wiccan religious tract go further to explain what it means by that? Let's just say that Satanists believe in "body" over delusion. ;)
"Thanks again for the info - maybe now I can convince my history class I'm not crazy for insisting that Satanism is a religion like anything else and deserves respect."
****** Tell your history class that the United States Army is convinced that Satanism is a religion, and the U.S. Army Chaplains Manual includes information for their chaplains on Satanism.
-- Nanaea
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Cool posts Lilith :)
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Thanks ^_^
****** Does this Wiccan religious tract go further to explain what it means by that?
I don't think so.
****** Tell your history class that the United States Army is convinced that Satanism is a religion, and the U.S. Army Chaplains Manual includes information for their chaplains on Satanism.
Oh, that's great! I shall indeed.
I read somewhere that Dubya has said he doesn't consider Wicca a religion. IF this is true, I can just imagine his views on Satanism.
****** Does this Wiccan religious tract go further to explain what it means by that?
I don't think so.
****** Tell your history class that the United States Army is convinced that Satanism is a religion, and the U.S. Army Chaplains Manual includes information for their chaplains on Satanism.
Oh, that's great! I shall indeed.
I read somewhere that Dubya has said he doesn't consider Wicca a religion. IF this is true, I can just imagine his views on Satanism.
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"I read somewhere that Dubya has said he doesn't consider Wicca a religion."
****** That's okay. A lot of people don't consider Dubya to be a statesman.
"IF this is true, I can just imagine his views on Satanism."
****** "To this very day, I refuse to buy anything from Proctor & Gamble!"
-- Nanaea
****** That's okay. A lot of people don't consider Dubya to be a statesman.
"IF this is true, I can just imagine his views on Satanism."
****** "To this very day, I refuse to buy anything from Proctor & Gamble!"
-- Nanaea
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LOL. Dubya amuses me. When he doesn't scare me.
(Liberal power!)
(Liberal power!)
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Very cool response, Silver...
And I, in turn, apologize for any misunderstandings on my own part.
My response to your "devil worship" comment (and the subsequent comments in the thread made by myself and others) was more flippant than anything else, and not really intended to cause you emotional distress. But I can see now how, when you got your feelings hurt, you reacted by calling me "cruel" and "arrogant".
I'll believe you where you said that you made the "devil worship" comment purely out of curiosity. Here's a link to the Relgious Tolerance website which may answer some of your questions regarding Satanism:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm
And now, if you wish, shall we start again? I don't really have an interest in flaming you. Especially since your previous postings on this board were pretty cool. :)
Oh yeah, and I also apologize for the crack I made about the name of your persona, and any reflection that might have on your writing ability. I'll admit that was uncalled-for.
-- Nanaea
And I, in turn, apologize for any misunderstandings on my own part.
My response to your "devil worship" comment (and the subsequent comments in the thread made by myself and others) was more flippant than anything else, and not really intended to cause you emotional distress. But I can see now how, when you got your feelings hurt, you reacted by calling me "cruel" and "arrogant".
I'll believe you where you said that you made the "devil worship" comment purely out of curiosity. Here's a link to the Relgious Tolerance website which may answer some of your questions regarding Satanism:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm
And now, if you wish, shall we start again? I don't really have an interest in flaming you. Especially since your previous postings on this board were pretty cool. :)
Oh yeah, and I also apologize for the crack I made about the name of your persona, and any reflection that might have on your writing ability. I'll admit that was uncalled-for.
-- Nanaea
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Might as well :) Ur pretty cool urself Nan. Pavlos, Andrea, "bruce"?
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Oh dear... I have to rethink this whole apology thing now...
...and very likely retract mine.
You wrote:
"I don't appreciate being called a fool though."
****And I don't (nor do others here, I should think) appreciate being played with, "Trangel".
-- Nanaea
...and very likely retract mine.
You wrote:
"I don't appreciate being called a fool though."
****And I don't (nor do others here, I should think) appreciate being played with, "Trangel".
-- Nanaea
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