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Help[Opinions] Not being able to say four syllables is lazy (edit)
in reply to a message by Laura W
I don't mind nicknames, but claiming four freakin' syllables are too much of a mouthful to say is like claiming you can't spell y-o-u instead of u.
Edit: Yes, I know I said three at first. *blames it on pregnancy brain*
Edit: Yes, I know I said three at first. *blames it on pregnancy brain*
This message was edited 5/26/2008, 7:56 PM
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That's kind of rude...
I find the tone of your message very rude and condesending. Haven't you been looking for nicknames yourself for a four syllable name?
Trust me, four syllables is a lot to yell across a playground. I have a Rosemary, that's only three syllables and was quickly shortened to Rosie (and sometimes just Ro).
I find the tone of your message very rude and condesending. Haven't you been looking for nicknames yourself for a four syllable name?
Trust me, four syllables is a lot to yell across a playground. I have a Rosemary, that's only three syllables and was quickly shortened to Rosie (and sometimes just Ro).
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Yes, I'm looking for nicknames. But it's because I think nicknames can be sweet and endearing, not because I think Persephone is too long. What I take issue with is claiming somebody's name of four syllables is too long or too hard to say. I think that's disrespectful to the namer and the one named. So yes, I can see why you'd think my message is rude, but I also think it's rude to disrespect a person and their name by claiming it's too much of a mouthful.
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Well, I think that's just silly. A nickname is disrespectful to the namer and the named? I think you'll find out as soon as you have to stop little Persephone from getting into God-Kknows-What.
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Did you read what I said?
I did not say NICKNAMES are disrespectful. I did, in fact, say that I like them. What I'm talking about is the "I can't say your entire name, it's just too long for me," SENTIMENT. I'm named Alexandra, and if people call me Alex because they feel comfortable with me or think it's pretty, great. If they call me Alex because they can't be bothered to say the beautiful name I've got, it's annoying.
I do recognize that short names would be useful in an, "I need to get the kid's attention right away," sort of setting.
I did not say NICKNAMES are disrespectful. I did, in fact, say that I like them. What I'm talking about is the "I can't say your entire name, it's just too long for me," SENTIMENT. I'm named Alexandra, and if people call me Alex because they feel comfortable with me or think it's pretty, great. If they call me Alex because they can't be bothered to say the beautiful name I've got, it's annoying.
I do recognize that short names would be useful in an, "I need to get the kid's attention right away," sort of setting.
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I do get what your saying, but not in the context of the OP. If one was introduced at *Alexandra* and was ignored that would be rude/annoying. But the OP is asking for endearing nicknames as well for whatever the case may be. Calling her lazy (which you did do) for looking for said name is what I found rude. Four syllables is a lot to use all the time.
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Okay
I agree that four syllables is a lot to use in every single situation, and I probably shouldn't have insinuated that the OP is lazy. I imagine she is not a lazy person at all, but I interpreted her original post incorrectly. I am also annoyed for personal reasons. Even though I like Sephie as a nickname for Persephone, everyone seems to feel the need to tell me that they will NEVER call her Persephone because it is simply too long. Rawr.
I agree that four syllables is a lot to use in every single situation, and I probably shouldn't have insinuated that the OP is lazy. I imagine she is not a lazy person at all, but I interpreted her original post incorrectly. I am also annoyed for personal reasons. Even though I like Sephie as a nickname for Persephone, everyone seems to feel the need to tell me that they will NEVER call her Persephone because it is simply too long. Rawr.
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I can see where you're coming from with your own expereience. People are dumb and doesn't anyone know not to be pissy with a woman in the last bit of a pregnancy?
As soon as everyone sees your little girl they will forget all their issues with her name. You could call her Funkychicken and no one would mind.
As soon as everyone sees your little girl they will forget all their issues with her name. You could call her Funkychicken and no one would mind.
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Ditto
Vic-tor-ee-a. 4 Syllables. Never stopped anyone from saying Victoria's Secret (And that's 6!).
IMO, people choose too many ways to shorten names.
Vic-tor-ee-a. 4 Syllables. Never stopped anyone from saying Victoria's Secret (And that's 6!).
IMO, people choose too many ways to shorten names.
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Victoria's Secret is a store.
How many people named Victoria go by Victoria ALL the time?
How many people named Victoria go by Victoria ALL the time?
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My daughter is named Victoria and one of the reasons I gave her Torrie as a nickname at birth was because I felt that people just don't want to say the full name Victoria all the time, and I thought that they would just shorten it to Vicky, and I preferred Torrie.
I've known two other Victorias in my life and both went by Vicky.
I understand from Sofia's post that nicknames are not necessarily inevitable in other cultures, but I do think that in American culture, certain names almost make a nickname inevitable, and Victoria is one of them. Apparently Bernadette does not go by one, but I think that's the exception to the rule. I don't know that I would call it laziness, it's just part of our culture.
I feel that a Persephone in American culture would almost invariably get a nickname.
I've known two other Victorias in my life and both went by Vicky.
I understand from Sofia's post that nicknames are not necessarily inevitable in other cultures, but I do think that in American culture, certain names almost make a nickname inevitable, and Victoria is one of them. Apparently Bernadette does not go by one, but I think that's the exception to the rule. I don't know that I would call it laziness, it's just part of our culture.
I feel that a Persephone in American culture would almost invariably get a nickname.
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Every one I've ever met
But, then I'm not a native English speaker (and I agree with 1066, they do tend to be 'lazy' with longer names) and as in many other languages/cultures, it's not a problem to say Victoria, Magdalena, Leonarda, Nikolina, etc. (or Marisol, Guadalupe, Juan Carlos, etc. in Spanish), to just name a few. I've met many people with these names and they were called by their full names (except in one case, where the girl hated Nikolina and went by Nika).
But then we'd never take a grown up called Dickie or Ricky seriously (When our current president was elected he switched from his nn Stipe to his full name Stjepan, and that's how he's addressed by the people who meet him. That's why I find it funny, that American president was Bill, when he had a much more dignified name William).
So, yes, there are actually people out there who go by their given names and people don't just randomly choose nn for them just because their name is too long (try studying German and trust me after some of their nouns, all these names will seem short,lol).
But, then I'm not a native English speaker (and I agree with 1066, they do tend to be 'lazy' with longer names) and as in many other languages/cultures, it's not a problem to say Victoria, Magdalena, Leonarda, Nikolina, etc. (or Marisol, Guadalupe, Juan Carlos, etc. in Spanish), to just name a few. I've met many people with these names and they were called by their full names (except in one case, where the girl hated Nikolina and went by Nika).
But then we'd never take a grown up called Dickie or Ricky seriously (When our current president was elected he switched from his nn Stipe to his full name Stjepan, and that's how he's addressed by the people who meet him. That's why I find it funny, that American president was Bill, when he had a much more dignified name William).
So, yes, there are actually people out there who go by their given names and people don't just randomly choose nn for them just because their name is too long (try studying German and trust me after some of their nouns, all these names will seem short,lol).
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But why give the respect of saying a full name to a store and not a person?
Like I said, I do not mind nicknames. They can be cute and a way of showing endearment. However, it bothers me so much when people claim a name is "too long" or "a real mouthful." I just find it really hard to believe that a name that takes less than a second to say is just toooooo long. Like I said, it's like claiming y-o-u is too much effort.
Like I said, I do not mind nicknames. They can be cute and a way of showing endearment. However, it bothers me so much when people claim a name is "too long" or "a real mouthful." I just find it really hard to believe that a name that takes less than a second to say is just toooooo long. Like I said, it's like claiming y-o-u is too much effort.
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She does. :/
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Not what I said
I didn't say I couldn't say Serenity.
I just wouldn't want to say it all the time because it is longer that most names and I think everyone around her would end up calling her sweetie or honey because she wouldn't have a good nn.
I didn't say I couldn't say Serenity.
I just wouldn't want to say it all the time because it is longer that most names and I think everyone around her would end up calling her sweetie or honey because she wouldn't have a good nn.
This message was edited 5/26/2008, 8:53 PM
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