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in reply to a message by Nanaea
- Freedom is a basic human virtue.
- Governments are excremental managers.
Ergo, such a rule reeks of burning flesh.
I grew up in a country where, up to 1987, the state (which was effectively controlled by the Orthodox Church) did not allow the use of names that had no associated Christian saints. Had my daughter been born prior to 1987, I would have been forbidden to legally name her Nephele (unless I produced documents to the authorities proving that I was a non-Orthodox Christian, a Muslim or a Jew -- other religions were not recognized). I can therefore never condone the use of "kosher name lists" to any authorities.
If a child is given a controversial name (by parents with poor taste) he/she can always be able to legally change it as an adult.
- Governments are excremental managers.
Ergo, such a rule reeks of burning flesh.
I grew up in a country where, up to 1987, the state (which was effectively controlled by the Orthodox Church) did not allow the use of names that had no associated Christian saints. Had my daughter been born prior to 1987, I would have been forbidden to legally name her Nephele (unless I produced documents to the authorities proving that I was a non-Orthodox Christian, a Muslim or a Jew -- other religions were not recognized). I can therefore never condone the use of "kosher name lists" to any authorities.
If a child is given a controversial name (by parents with poor taste) he/she can always be able to legally change it as an adult.
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"I grew up in a country where, up to 1987, the state (which was effectively controlled by the Orthodox Church) did not allow the use of names that had no associated Christian saints."
****** See, I don't think a whole lot of Americans realize that this was pretty much the norm for practically all European countries until very recently. Here in America we're fortunate to be living in a country which guarantees the individual's freedom from religious control -- the separation of Church and State.
I think it's pretty hard for many Americans to imagine a government which can dictate something as basic as what one can or cannot name one's own child.
-- Nanaea
****** See, I don't think a whole lot of Americans realize that this was pretty much the norm for practically all European countries until very recently. Here in America we're fortunate to be living in a country which guarantees the individual's freedom from religious control -- the separation of Church and State.
I think it's pretty hard for many Americans to imagine a government which can dictate something as basic as what one can or cannot name one's own child.
-- Nanaea
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Bloody comformists, I thought they are saying to celebrate uniquness and difference, rather then supress it, HYPOCRITES!
I am sure you brillant people have heard of the global village theory.
I think this is just another push by those lazy burocrates to drive us into conformity, posing it as equality, so they can still preach diveristy.
This way they dont step on as many toes, and brain wash the younger generations, so they grow up accostomed to not being able to think fully forthemselves.
This is a direct violation of the rights and freedoms acts, and I KNOW it would start major rights should they push such a bill.
Its disgraceful to our intellect to even mention such revolting attrocity against human culture.
I am disgusted personally, and will fight it to the enth degree using the words put up in the acts that uphold such first class countries.
I know the UN sumit would not hear of it.
But for now, I am in canada, so I'm ok!
~Silver
I am sure you brillant people have heard of the global village theory.
I think this is just another push by those lazy burocrates to drive us into conformity, posing it as equality, so they can still preach diveristy.
This way they dont step on as many toes, and brain wash the younger generations, so they grow up accostomed to not being able to think fully forthemselves.
This is a direct violation of the rights and freedoms acts, and I KNOW it would start major rights should they push such a bill.
Its disgraceful to our intellect to even mention such revolting attrocity against human culture.
I am disgusted personally, and will fight it to the enth degree using the words put up in the acts that uphold such first class countries.
I know the UN sumit would not hear of it.
But for now, I am in canada, so I'm ok!
~Silver
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It's okay, Silver. This was just a hypothetical situation. :)
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Spot-on, never take your freedom for granted.....
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Another thing (kinda off of Oh, Greek One's postings)...
My mother, up until she was 45 or 50, legally was "unnamed" according to her birth certificate. Her parents (may they rest in peace) couldn't agree on an English (American) name, but she had her Hebrew name all of her life. Quite a number of her friends "Down South" still call her "Sister" and (going off on a tangent here) she had to go through the Courts so that she would legally be Harriette.
Around the time she was growing up, there was an illegal adoption ring headed by a social worker and a judge. I don't know off the top of my head how many children were quasi-legally removed from their parents and adopted out. If I have it correctly, there are still families finding out htat they are related by birth who were separated by these people.
Even weirder, some of the things I've come across during my research concerning the "Others" (non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust). :shakes head in disbelief:. Does anybody want a government official like that in charge of his/her country's children's names? Or, after the end of WWII, Joseph McCarthy, junior senetor from Wisconsin and leader of the "witchhunters" seeking out "the Red menace".
My head's swimming in the "facts" surrounding all of my research. Sorry.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
My mother, up until she was 45 or 50, legally was "unnamed" according to her birth certificate. Her parents (may they rest in peace) couldn't agree on an English (American) name, but she had her Hebrew name all of her life. Quite a number of her friends "Down South" still call her "Sister" and (going off on a tangent here) she had to go through the Courts so that she would legally be Harriette.
Around the time she was growing up, there was an illegal adoption ring headed by a social worker and a judge. I don't know off the top of my head how many children were quasi-legally removed from their parents and adopted out. If I have it correctly, there are still families finding out htat they are related by birth who were separated by these people.
Even weirder, some of the things I've come across during my research concerning the "Others" (non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust). :shakes head in disbelief:. Does anybody want a government official like that in charge of his/her country's children's names? Or, after the end of WWII, Joseph McCarthy, junior senetor from Wisconsin and leader of the "witchhunters" seeking out "the Red menace".
My head's swimming in the "facts" surrounding all of my research. Sorry.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
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