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in reply to a message by Pavlos
It may be that Europeans are a lot less tight-assed (no pun intended... well, maybe not) about a lot of things that send Mainstream America into a tizzy. So, perhaps gays in Europe don't really feel a need to align themselves with liberal politics in order to have the issues which concern them even have a chance at getting addressed?
Of my gay friends and acquaintances, two whom I would describe as being somewhat conservative are also both European -- and one of these two is a newspaper editor (here in the U.S.).
-- Nanaea
Of my gay friends and acquaintances, two whom I would describe as being somewhat conservative are also both European -- and one of these two is a newspaper editor (here in the U.S.).
-- Nanaea
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Guys
I was thinking about the late Harvey Milk (I think that was his name), the man who was elected in San Fransisco back in the late seventies/early eighties, and assassinated by the person he "ousted".
Another was the young man last year or the year before who was the victim of the "hate crime" (does anybody know who I mean?).
Can anybody explain to me what a person's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual preference has to do with their political ideology? I know, stupid question.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
I was thinking about the late Harvey Milk (I think that was his name), the man who was elected in San Fransisco back in the late seventies/early eighties, and assassinated by the person he "ousted".
Another was the young man last year or the year before who was the victim of the "hate crime" (does anybody know who I mean?).
Can anybody explain to me what a person's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual preference has to do with their political ideology? I know, stupid question.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
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"Can anybody explain to me what a person's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual preference has to do with their political ideology? I know, stupid question."
******That's not a stupid question at all, and a person's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual preference shouldn't have anything to do with their political ideology.
Except both you and I know that the Religious Right in this country is fiercely conservative, and many conservatives identify themselves with the Religious Right and (so-called) "Moral Majority". Many minorities, on the other hand, have historically aligned themselves with liberal and radical movements in this country because liberal (and radical) politics are often more likely to present an open forum for the issues which concern minorities.
The best way (I believe) to compare Conservative Politics, Liberal Politics, and Radical Politics, is the following:
Radicals want change quickly.
Liberals want change gradually.
Conservatives want change slowly (if at all).
How fast do you want to see some things in this country changed, Phyllis? :)
-- Nanaea
******That's not a stupid question at all, and a person's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual preference shouldn't have anything to do with their political ideology.
Except both you and I know that the Religious Right in this country is fiercely conservative, and many conservatives identify themselves with the Religious Right and (so-called) "Moral Majority". Many minorities, on the other hand, have historically aligned themselves with liberal and radical movements in this country because liberal (and radical) politics are often more likely to present an open forum for the issues which concern minorities.
The best way (I believe) to compare Conservative Politics, Liberal Politics, and Radical Politics, is the following:
Radicals want change quickly.
Liberals want change gradually.
Conservatives want change slowly (if at all).
How fast do you want to see some things in this country changed, Phyllis? :)
-- Nanaea
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Nanaea
In some cases I'm a radical (like with REASONABLE religious tolerance), in some cases I'm a liberal (like in animal rights) and in other cases I'm a conservative. I know, meschugane. :)
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
In some cases I'm a radical (like with REASONABLE religious tolerance), in some cases I'm a liberal (like in animal rights) and in other cases I'm a conservative. I know, meschugane. :)
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
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Great "in a nutshell" political analysis Nan :) Last time I had read Penthouse Mag was during the Bush Sr presidency. I recently skimmed though a copy of Penthouse and was (pleasntly) surprised to see how merely two terms of Clinton have radically changed sexual thresholds in the US! Viva Monica! But I digress.
Politics in Europe are hard to pin down nowadays, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In England one sees socialists with free-market policies. In France you see left-wing "intellectuals"-turned- antisemites such as R. Garaudy and former communists joining LePen's party. In Greece, some of the most visceral religious fundamentalists are left-wingers such as K. Zouraris and Lianna Kanelli (the incredible case of a lesbian member of the Greek parliament, representing the Communist Party, who is religious, nationalistic but also a proponent old lost values).
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it !
Great "in a nutshell" political analysis Nan :) Last time I had read Penthouse Mag was during the Bush Sr presidency. I recently skimmed though a copy of Penthouse and was (pleasntly) surprised to see how merely two terms of Clinton have radically changed sexual thresholds in the US! Viva Monica! But I digress.
Politics in Europe are hard to pin down nowadays, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In England one sees socialists with free-market policies. In France you see left-wing "intellectuals"-turned- antisemites such as R. Garaudy and former communists joining LePen's party. In Greece, some of the most visceral religious fundamentalists are left-wingers such as K. Zouraris and Lianna Kanelli (the incredible case of a lesbian member of the Greek parliament, representing the Communist Party, who is religious, nationalistic but also a proponent old lost values).
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it !
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