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in reply to a message by PriaposLovs
I mean, God made it himself, as far as I know, so what should be wrong about being happy to see it return?
I just come to think of a passage in Luke where the sun is mentioned in a very beautiful way:
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest:
for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
(Luke 1, 76-79)
I just come to think of a passage in Luke where the sun is mentioned in a very beautiful way:
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest:
for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
(Luke 1, 76-79)
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Beyond the symbolism Nan mentioned, the sun *is* the ultimate source of our lives. Without it we would be freeze-dried cosmic dust :)
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There's nothing really pagan about the sun, but some of us are so-called "pagans". You, I am gathering you are a Christian , believe the sun was created by "God" and him alone. Others believe that there is something differently extrodinary about it, and in "ancient" times they celebrated it by the different holidays, &c.
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Hmm... I wonder
I guess I am what you call a christian. Well, I believe in christ anyway so that does it I guess :)
But if there should be something unchristian about being happy about the return of the sun it would have to imply that you thought that the sun was a creature or a god or something, which should be worshipped instead of God. Like the gold statue when moses went to get the 10 commandments, I mean.
I wonder if there are people today who will claim that the sun is a god, which must be worshipped.
But then again humanity is so diverse so perhaps somewhere there are people who believe the sun is a god. It has been believed earlier on like in Egypt so why not.
I guess I am what you call a christian. Well, I believe in christ anyway so that does it I guess :)
But if there should be something unchristian about being happy about the return of the sun it would have to imply that you thought that the sun was a creature or a god or something, which should be worshipped instead of God. Like the gold statue when moses went to get the 10 commandments, I mean.
I wonder if there are people today who will claim that the sun is a god, which must be worshipped.
But then again humanity is so diverse so perhaps somewhere there are people who believe the sun is a god. It has been believed earlier on like in Egypt so why not.
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Wonder no more!
You appear to be a little confused, Selwyn... :)
"I mean, God made it himself, as far as I know, so what should be wrong about being happy to see it return?"
@@@@ PriaposLovs wasn't implying that there is anything wrong in celebrating the Spring Equinox. You need to understand that the words "pagan" and "bad" are *not* synonymous -- regardless of what some grown-ups may have been telling you. :)
"But if there should be something unchristian about being happy about the return of the sun it would have to imply that you thought that the sun was a creature or a god or something..."
@@@@ No, that's just silly. :) There are a LOT of "unchristians" who do *not* worship the sun as though it was a "creature or a god". Jewish people are just as happy to see the coming of springtime as Christians are, and they are about as unchristian as ya can get! ;) Nothing wrong with that. In addition, to many pagans the sun is welcomed as a *symbol* of the earth's returning time of fertility. And, as for those pagans who *do* happen to revere the sun as a deity -- so what? Nothing wrong with that, either. Unless you happen to be a Christian . Celebrating pagan ways and days may be wrong for *Christians* (although it doesn't bother my Christian husband in the least), but it is *not* wrong for other folks who don't happen to BE Christians.
Got it? ;)
-- Nanaea
You appear to be a little confused, Selwyn... :)
"I mean, God made it himself, as far as I know, so what should be wrong about being happy to see it return?"
@@@@ PriaposLovs wasn't implying that there is anything wrong in celebrating the Spring Equinox. You need to understand that the words "pagan" and "bad" are *not* synonymous -- regardless of what some grown-ups may have been telling you. :)
"But if there should be something unchristian about being happy about the return of the sun it would have to imply that you thought that the sun was a creature or a god or something..."
@@@@ No, that's just silly. :) There are a LOT of "unchristians" who do *not* worship the sun as though it was a "creature or a god". Jewish people are just as happy to see the coming of springtime as Christians are, and they are about as unchristian as ya can get! ;) Nothing wrong with that. In addition, to many pagans the sun is welcomed as a *symbol* of the earth's returning time of fertility. And, as for those pagans who *do* happen to revere the sun as a deity -- so what? Nothing wrong with that, either. Unless you happen to be a Christian . Celebrating pagan ways and days may be wrong for *Christians* (although it doesn't bother my Christian husband in the least), but it is *not* wrong for other folks who don't happen to BE Christians.
Got it? ;)
-- Nanaea
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Nanaea and Selwyn
I was thinking about the poor Finns and others who live that far north (or equally that far south). Imagine the joy they must feel when the sun peeks just over the horizon for the first time in months. Also, those who suffer from SADD (seasonal affected depression) would be extra delighted in seeing the longer "days".
Just some food for thought.
Phyllis
I was thinking about the poor Finns and others who live that far north (or equally that far south). Imagine the joy they must feel when the sun peeks just over the horizon for the first time in months. Also, those who suffer from SADD (seasonal affected depression) would be extra delighted in seeing the longer "days".
Just some food for thought.
Phyllis
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