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in reply to a message by Menke
Interesting!
From what I've been told, in French lundi = Lune (Moon), mardi and mercredi = what you said, jeudi = Jupiter, vendredi = what you said, samedi = day of the shabbat (sabbat in French), dimanche = what you said.
From what I've been told, in French lundi = Lune (Moon), mardi and mercredi = what you said, jeudi = Jupiter, vendredi = what you said, samedi = day of the shabbat (sabbat in French), dimanche = what you said.
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aha, i was wondering about samedi, i knew about jeudi and lundi, but samedi made me wonder. But if samedi = day of the shabbat, then the German Samstag is that too? i guess so, but it's an awkward influence of the Jewish religion on the German language, or maybe not, because Yiddish is a mix of Hebrew and German i believe and we have quite a lot Yiddish words in the Dutch language too. You know Amsterdam is called often 'Mokum' and 'sjofel', 'kinnesinne', 'tof' and 'gozer' are all Yiddish words often used in the Dutch language. maybe that explains Samstag?
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I've just remembered that in France you'll sometimes hear older religious Christian people say "le sabbat (sa-ba)" or "le jour du sabbat" (the day of the sabbat) instead of "le samedi". You can also find "sabbat" instead of "samedi" on some very old religious (Christian) documents. I've always found that interesting.
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Samstag / Saturday
Samstag is only *one* German word for Saturday. It is used in southern and western Germany and has become the more general word you would always hear in the news. But in the rest of Germany "Sonnabend" is more common, indicating the day (literally "eve") before Sunday.
"Sonntag" was adapted by most Germanic tribes from Latin "dies solis" before the 4th cent. i.e. before the beginning of Christianization.
Now the connection between Hebrew "shabbat" and German "Samstag" has nothing to do with Yiddish. It was the church that brought the Greek "sabbaton" or Latin "sabbatum" (originally “sabbata”, f.) to the Teutons. I have no idea what name was they used before that (I suppose, they had a name taken from Saturn like in English), but I believe that it was the biblical use of “sabbatum”, that helped it make its way. In the bible “shabbat” or “sabbaton” is the only day with a specific name, the others were just given numbers.
I read, it was the Gothic (Arian) missionaries, who brought the “Samstag” to the south of Germany, shipping up the Donau. The Gothic word for it was “sambato”, hence the M in SaMstag, but this again is from vulgar Greek “sambaton”.
Now to “Sonnabend”. This came to Germany with the Anglo-Saxon missionaries (7./8. cent.?). Old English “sunnanaefen” became “sunnunaband” and originally meant only Saturday evening, but was later extended to the whole day and thus superseded the old expression. This again was a name that had Saturn in it, because you will still find vernacular “Satertag” or “Saterstag” in some areas in the north west of Germany.
I’d really be interested in learning more about the days of the week in other languages. Also please correct me with what I’ve written above, because I had to collect the information from various books, far from being an expert.
Samstag is only *one* German word for Saturday. It is used in southern and western Germany and has become the more general word you would always hear in the news. But in the rest of Germany "Sonnabend" is more common, indicating the day (literally "eve") before Sunday.
"Sonntag" was adapted by most Germanic tribes from Latin "dies solis" before the 4th cent. i.e. before the beginning of Christianization.
Now the connection between Hebrew "shabbat" and German "Samstag" has nothing to do with Yiddish. It was the church that brought the Greek "sabbaton" or Latin "sabbatum" (originally “sabbata”, f.) to the Teutons. I have no idea what name was they used before that (I suppose, they had a name taken from Saturn like in English), but I believe that it was the biblical use of “sabbatum”, that helped it make its way. In the bible “shabbat” or “sabbaton” is the only day with a specific name, the others were just given numbers.
I read, it was the Gothic (Arian) missionaries, who brought the “Samstag” to the south of Germany, shipping up the Donau. The Gothic word for it was “sambato”, hence the M in SaMstag, but this again is from vulgar Greek “sambaton”.
Now to “Sonnabend”. This came to Germany with the Anglo-Saxon missionaries (7./8. cent.?). Old English “sunnanaefen” became “sunnunaband” and originally meant only Saturday evening, but was later extended to the whole day and thus superseded the old expression. This again was a name that had Saturn in it, because you will still find vernacular “Satertag” or “Saterstag” in some areas in the north west of Germany.
I’d really be interested in learning more about the days of the week in other languages. Also please correct me with what I’ve written above, because I had to collect the information from various books, far from being an expert.
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