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in reply to a message by Andy
domus is 'house' in Latin
dominus is 'lord of the house' or just 'ruler' or 'tiran'
dominicus is 'from the lord' or 'from God'
so, dies dominicus would mean 'day from the lord' (no need to put dominicus in the genetivus, because the 'from' is in the meaning already.
In Germanic languages, sunday is associated with the sun: (German: sonntag, Dutch: zondag, English: sunday)
In Roman languages, sunday is seen as the lord's day: (French: dimanche, Italian: domenica, Spanish: domingo)
It's because Christianism was very important in those countries (ruled by the Romans for long time), whereas Germany and the UK came 'under influence of Christianism' (took it over to their culture or alike) in the Medieval Ages. That's why the days in Germanic language often are related to Scandinavian gods like Wodan (wednesday), Thor (thursday) and Freia (Friday) and in Roman language with Roman gods: Mercury (mercredi), Mars (mardi) and Venus (vendredi). Notable are the Spanish and Italian name for saturday: sabato (obviously from 'sabbath', which is a component of the Jewish religion). In French and the German languages, saturday is believed to be taken from the Roman god Saturn.
that's all i can tell.
http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/time/days.htm
(here a website about days, not much more information though)
dominus is 'lord of the house' or just 'ruler' or 'tiran'
dominicus is 'from the lord' or 'from God'
so, dies dominicus would mean 'day from the lord' (no need to put dominicus in the genetivus, because the 'from' is in the meaning already.
In Germanic languages, sunday is associated with the sun: (German: sonntag, Dutch: zondag, English: sunday)
In Roman languages, sunday is seen as the lord's day: (French: dimanche, Italian: domenica, Spanish: domingo)
It's because Christianism was very important in those countries (ruled by the Romans for long time), whereas Germany and the UK came 'under influence of Christianism' (took it over to their culture or alike) in the Medieval Ages. That's why the days in Germanic language often are related to Scandinavian gods like Wodan (wednesday), Thor (thursday) and Freia (Friday) and in Roman language with Roman gods: Mercury (mercredi), Mars (mardi) and Venus (vendredi). Notable are the Spanish and Italian name for saturday: sabato (obviously from 'sabbath', which is a component of the Jewish religion). In French and the German languages, saturday is believed to be taken from the Roman god Saturn.
that's all i can tell.
http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/time/days.htm
(here a website about days, not much more information though)
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aha, i was wondering about samedi, i knew about jeudi and lundi, but samedi made me wonder. But if samedi = day of the shabbat, then the German Samstag is that too? i guess so, but it's an awkward influence of the Jewish religion on the German language, or maybe not, because Yiddish is a mix of Hebrew and German i believe and we have quite a lot Yiddish words in the Dutch language too. You know Amsterdam is called often 'Mokum' and 'sjofel', 'kinnesinne', 'tof' and 'gozer' are all Yiddish words often used in the Dutch language. maybe that explains Samstag?
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I've just remembered that in France you'll sometimes hear older religious Christian people say "le sabbat (sa-ba)" or "le jour du sabbat" (the day of the sabbat) instead of "le samedi". You can also find "sabbat" instead of "samedi" on some very old religious (Christian) documents. I've always found that interesting.
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Samstag / Saturday
Samstag is only *one* German word for Saturday. It is used in southern and western Germany and has become the more general word you would always hear in the news. But in the rest of Germany "Sonnabend" is more common, indicating the day (literally "eve") before Sunday.
"Sonntag" was adapted by most Germanic tribes from Latin "dies solis" before the 4th cent. i.e. before the beginning of Christianization.
Now the connection between Hebrew "shabbat" and German "Samstag" has nothing to do with Yiddish. It was the church that brought the Greek "sabbaton" or Latin "sabbatum" (originally “sabbata”, f.) to the Teutons. I have no idea what name was they used before that (I suppose, they had a name taken from Saturn like in English), but I believe that it was the biblical use of “sabbatum”, that helped it make its way. In the bible “shabbat” or “sabbaton” is the only day with a specific name, the others were just given numbers.
I read, it was the Gothic (Arian) missionaries, who brought the “Samstag” to the south of Germany, shipping up the Donau. The Gothic word for it was “sambato”, hence the M in SaMstag, but this again is from vulgar Greek “sambaton”.
Now to “Sonnabend”. This came to Germany with the Anglo-Saxon missionaries (7./8. cent.?). Old English “sunnanaefen” became “sunnunaband” and originally meant only Saturday evening, but was later extended to the whole day and thus superseded the old expression. This again was a name that had Saturn in it, because you will still find vernacular “Satertag” or “Saterstag” in some areas in the north west of Germany.
I’d really be interested in learning more about the days of the week in other languages. Also please correct me with what I’ve written above, because I had to collect the information from various books, far from being an expert.
Samstag is only *one* German word for Saturday. It is used in southern and western Germany and has become the more general word you would always hear in the news. But in the rest of Germany "Sonnabend" is more common, indicating the day (literally "eve") before Sunday.
"Sonntag" was adapted by most Germanic tribes from Latin "dies solis" before the 4th cent. i.e. before the beginning of Christianization.
Now the connection between Hebrew "shabbat" and German "Samstag" has nothing to do with Yiddish. It was the church that brought the Greek "sabbaton" or Latin "sabbatum" (originally “sabbata”, f.) to the Teutons. I have no idea what name was they used before that (I suppose, they had a name taken from Saturn like in English), but I believe that it was the biblical use of “sabbatum”, that helped it make its way. In the bible “shabbat” or “sabbaton” is the only day with a specific name, the others were just given numbers.
I read, it was the Gothic (Arian) missionaries, who brought the “Samstag” to the south of Germany, shipping up the Donau. The Gothic word for it was “sambato”, hence the M in SaMstag, but this again is from vulgar Greek “sambaton”.
Now to “Sonnabend”. This came to Germany with the Anglo-Saxon missionaries (7./8. cent.?). Old English “sunnanaefen” became “sunnunaband” and originally meant only Saturday evening, but was later extended to the whole day and thus superseded the old expression. This again was a name that had Saturn in it, because you will still find vernacular “Satertag” or “Saterstag” in some areas in the north west of Germany.
I’d really be interested in learning more about the days of the week in other languages. Also please correct me with what I’ve written above, because I had to collect the information from various books, far from being an expert.
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Thank you, Menke!
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