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in reply to a message by Anneza
The first reference to the name is found in the person of Aimery II de Thouars's wife, Alienor (910/915-995), also cited as Allanor and Alianor and also known as Hardouine:
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/continent/qrstu/thouars1.htm
http://www.afn.org/~lawson/d0003/g0000034.html#I5498
http://fabpedigree.com/s017/f289956.htm
Her grand-grandson Geoffroy de Thouars's wife was named Aenor (Aenor de Blois), and she is also documented as Ainor/Aynor/Ainora and Adenordis:
"(25) Elle est dite Adenordis (cartulaire de St-Jouin-de-Marnes, p. 1-3; Archives Historiques de la Saintonge et de l'Aunis, tome XXX, p. 314-317, n° 257); Ainor (Archives Historiques du Poitou, tome III, p. 106, n° 158; p. 110, n° 167; p. 112-113, n° 173), Aynor (ibid., tome XVI, p. 106-107, n° 88)."
http://poitou.ifrance.com/famthouars.htm
That and the fact that her granddaughter Aenor de Thouars (1050-1088/93), Eleanor of Aquitaine's grand-grandmother, was cited in some documents as Adenor, Aenors and Aleanor/Alienor made think in Aenor as a hypochoristic form of Adenor, by fall of the intervocalic –d- (Adenordis > Adenors > Adenor > Aenor) in a similar process to the process that generates the form Aalis (Adalhaid > Adalaid > Adalais > Adalis > Aalis).
http://www.chretiens-chatellerault.com.fr/Histoire_%20Locale/Histoire_pages/histoire_Philippe_Bellin.htm
http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0chatellera.htm
The name Adenor/Aenor is also documented in other people in 10th century, as Adenor/Aenor, Gelduin the Young's wife, for instance:
http://perso.orange.fr/saumur-jadis/bios/gelduin.htm
The forms Adenor and Alienor would be feminine evolutions from the Germanic name Aldenor (with the feminine ending in –is, typical in Medieval Germanic names in Catalan and Occitan: Aleidis, Almodis, Adelgardis, Arsendis...). The name Aldenor (masculine) exists in Portuguese and it is more or less used in Brazil:
http://www.censocultural.ba.gov.br/ccb_municipios_resultado_artista.asp?idm=2&MunID=87&RegID=&Cl=2
http://www.censocultural.ba.gov.br/ccb_municipios_resultado_relatoriogeral.asp?idm=2&MunID=132&RegID=&Cl=
In fact, in the 10th century in Catalonia, there are documented in the Repertori d'Antropònims Catalans (RAC) variant forms of names in which Alde- has evolved to Ali- or Alie-: Aldenardus > Alienardus/Alinardus/Allenardo (927 to 980).
And in the same RAC, there are variant forms of names in which Alde- (o Adel-) has evolved to Ade-: Aldebert / Adelbert > Adebert (875 and 876).
So, the etym could be a Germanic dythematic name Aldenor, from alda, "old", and nord, "north".
It could be the possibility of a name *Adalnor, from adal, "noble", and nord, "north", but I am not able to document this form, so it is only a second hypothesis.
Since the first Alienor predates in 100 years Eleanor of Aquitaine, the name explanation relating it with alia-aenor seems another folk etymology from educated sources.
There is a concorrent source to the popularity of Aenor as independent name; it is the existence of the Breton name Azenor (Judael's wife, 6th century).
Lumia
http://onomastica.mailcatala.com
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/continent/qrstu/thouars1.htm
http://www.afn.org/~lawson/d0003/g0000034.html#I5498
http://fabpedigree.com/s017/f289956.htm
Her grand-grandson Geoffroy de Thouars's wife was named Aenor (Aenor de Blois), and she is also documented as Ainor/Aynor/Ainora and Adenordis:
"(25) Elle est dite Adenordis (cartulaire de St-Jouin-de-Marnes, p. 1-3; Archives Historiques de la Saintonge et de l'Aunis, tome XXX, p. 314-317, n° 257); Ainor (Archives Historiques du Poitou, tome III, p. 106, n° 158; p. 110, n° 167; p. 112-113, n° 173), Aynor (ibid., tome XVI, p. 106-107, n° 88)."
http://poitou.ifrance.com/famthouars.htm
That and the fact that her granddaughter Aenor de Thouars (1050-1088/93), Eleanor of Aquitaine's grand-grandmother, was cited in some documents as Adenor, Aenors and Aleanor/Alienor made think in Aenor as a hypochoristic form of Adenor, by fall of the intervocalic –d- (Adenordis > Adenors > Adenor > Aenor) in a similar process to the process that generates the form Aalis (Adalhaid > Adalaid > Adalais > Adalis > Aalis).
http://www.chretiens-chatellerault.com.fr/Histoire_%20Locale/Histoire_pages/histoire_Philippe_Bellin.htm
http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0chatellera.htm
The name Adenor/Aenor is also documented in other people in 10th century, as Adenor/Aenor, Gelduin the Young's wife, for instance:
http://perso.orange.fr/saumur-jadis/bios/gelduin.htm
The forms Adenor and Alienor would be feminine evolutions from the Germanic name Aldenor (with the feminine ending in –is, typical in Medieval Germanic names in Catalan and Occitan: Aleidis, Almodis, Adelgardis, Arsendis...). The name Aldenor (masculine) exists in Portuguese and it is more or less used in Brazil:
http://www.censocultural.ba.gov.br/ccb_municipios_resultado_artista.asp?idm=2&MunID=87&RegID=&Cl=2
http://www.censocultural.ba.gov.br/ccb_municipios_resultado_relatoriogeral.asp?idm=2&MunID=132&RegID=&Cl=
In fact, in the 10th century in Catalonia, there are documented in the Repertori d'Antropònims Catalans (RAC) variant forms of names in which Alde- has evolved to Ali- or Alie-: Aldenardus > Alienardus/Alinardus/Allenardo (927 to 980).
And in the same RAC, there are variant forms of names in which Alde- (o Adel-) has evolved to Ade-: Aldebert / Adelbert > Adebert (875 and 876).
So, the etym could be a Germanic dythematic name Aldenor, from alda, "old", and nord, "north".
It could be the possibility of a name *Adalnor, from adal, "noble", and nord, "north", but I am not able to document this form, so it is only a second hypothesis.
Since the first Alienor predates in 100 years Eleanor of Aquitaine, the name explanation relating it with alia-aenor seems another folk etymology from educated sources.
There is a concorrent source to the popularity of Aenor as independent name; it is the existence of the Breton name Azenor (Judael's wife, 6th century).
Lumia
http://onomastica.mailcatala.com
This message was edited 6/13/2007, 11:00 AM
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