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I don't think Barry's that bad. It sounds old but so does Ira. I prefer it to Gary (and Larry and Cary) and pronounce it the same as Berry (BtN says bar-ee is also a thing, which I've never heard). Perry is my favorite of that group of rhyming names - and it has grown on me in recent years; I didn't used to like it at all.
I don't like the sound of Luther, and he sounds like someone's German great-great-grandfather to me, but it doesn't seem that different stylewise from Lowell (I remember you mentioned seeing that recently and that also seemed like someone's German great-great grandfather to me); at least he could go by Lu / Louie if he wanted.
Sometimes people say they want to use Lucifer; I guess because they think it's edgy or because it's in pop culture or because they sympathize with the rebel, and I could see a similar thing with Judas especially if they like Judas Priest. But also I was taught in church that Judas was just the Greek translation of Judah and not a singular type of name, so it's possible the person just likes the sound more (and believe the religious people around them also might understand it's an ordinary name) and would pick Jonas over Jonah for the same reason. It seems a little unfortunate for the kid but not in a way I care that much about; personally I feel like Lilith and perhaps Delilah are at least as negative but those got popular.
I don't like the sound of Luther, and he sounds like someone's German great-great-grandfather to me, but it doesn't seem that different stylewise from Lowell (I remember you mentioned seeing that recently and that also seemed like someone's German great-great grandfather to me); at least he could go by Lu / Louie if he wanted.
Sometimes people say they want to use Lucifer; I guess because they think it's edgy or because it's in pop culture or because they sympathize with the rebel, and I could see a similar thing with Judas especially if they like Judas Priest. But also I was taught in church that Judas was just the Greek translation of Judah and not a singular type of name, so it's possible the person just likes the sound more (and believe the religious people around them also might understand it's an ordinary name) and would pick Jonas over Jonah for the same reason. It seems a little unfortunate for the kid but not in a way I care that much about; personally I feel like Lilith and perhaps Delilah are at least as negative but those got popular.
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I don't think Delilah is that negative, she did what she could for her people. Lilith, yes, but I can also understand the feminist view of it (ie Lilith Fair)
Honestly, when I heard Judas I just thought old testament name that is coming back. It took me a minute to realize the significance. I felt ridiculous afterwards, but given all the old-fashioned bible names i"ve heard it made sense. Issachar, Ezekiel, Keziah, Keturah
Honestly, when I heard Judas I just thought old testament name that is coming back. It took me a minute to realize the significance. I felt ridiculous afterwards, but given all the old-fashioned bible names i"ve heard it made sense. Issachar, Ezekiel, Keziah, Keturah
Well, some people think Judas Iscariot cared about his people. He has that famous line about how the money spent on perfume used to anoint Jesus's feet could have been used to feed the poor. I think he's often portrayed as sympathetic in modern pop culture (like in Jesus Christ Superstar)?
I picked on Delilah because the name itself has been synonymous with manipulation or betrayal. Which yes can be sympathized with and the stereotype subverted. 🤷🏻♀️ Lilith I feel has a more supernatural quality so more like Lucifer.
I've equated Judah (which has risen a lot in popularity) and Judas in my head since I was a child, though, because I was told they were basically the same name. So that's part of why I feel like it's just whatever, even though I do know it has a negative connotation.
edit: I'm gonna add that historically hatred of Judas Iscariot is linked with anti-Semitism.
I picked on Delilah because the name itself has been synonymous with manipulation or betrayal. Which yes can be sympathized with and the stereotype subverted. 🤷🏻♀️ Lilith I feel has a more supernatural quality so more like Lucifer.
I've equated Judah (which has risen a lot in popularity) and Judas in my head since I was a child, though, because I was told they were basically the same name. So that's part of why I feel like it's just whatever, even though I do know it has a negative connotation.
edit: I'm gonna add that historically hatred of Judas Iscariot is linked with anti-Semitism.
This message was edited 4/6/2025, 6:48 PM
Very true with Judas Iscariot.
Jane Yolen has a series of books about women and biblical women, I think Deliah is in there. I know Salome is.
https://www.janeyolen.com/meet-me-at-the-well-the-girls-and-women-of-the-bible/ I Lilith isn't. I used to read Miriam a lot of books on mythology, but I don't think I ever came across a story of Lilith. Probably a good thing, because her story is terrifying.
t's an excellent book. I recommend just about everything Yolen writes, though.
Jane Yolen has a series of books about women and biblical women, I think Deliah is in there. I know Salome is.
https://www.janeyolen.com/meet-me-at-the-well-the-girls-and-women-of-the-bible/ I Lilith isn't. I used to read Miriam a lot of books on mythology, but I don't think I ever came across a story of Lilith. Probably a good thing, because her story is terrifying.
t's an excellent book. I recommend just about everything Yolen writes, though.
This message was edited 4/6/2025, 2:26 PM
I think she was referring to (the assumption of?) Delilah being a Philistine working for Philistines. The story of Judith killing Holofernes is similar, and she gets praise for it in the bible, because she was Judean.
This message was edited 4/6/2025, 5:04 PM
Exactly.
Yeah, that's fair