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HelpRe: what does that even mean ...
in reply to a message by RoxStar
It means: Isis as a person's name, has no real intelligible connection with a militant group called I.S.I.S. ... that is pronounced like the name Isis by news-readers, instead of saying what it stands for. I can't even say what the acronym stands for exactly ... and I don't think most people could, where I live anyway. We just parrot the news-readers and say "eye-sis". Islamic state something!
Take Mia. Mia is not ruined by the acronym MIA ... because nobody is lame enough to read that aloud pronounced as Mia. Maybe because the news doesn't cover MIAs like it covers them tErRiSts. Saying ISIS as Isis, seems like gimmickry to me. Like, imagine if they did read MIA as "Mia." It'd be lame. Yeah it seems awkward to spell out, "eye ess eye ess" ... but ISIL is always spelled out?? And not said as "is-ill" ... why not? Because calling it "Isis" is catchy, a gimmick... imo. Like Fannie Mae.
Isis the name, has been well known from the Egyptian myth, since a long time before. And Isis is a name that belongs to people in our own communities right now. A few thousand are out there; it was getting trendy for years before cooptation, about in sync with Aspen, and I think it would have taken off similarly if not for the news. People named Isis will still be living for a long time, establishing their name as a name. It's not shameful...
I think people who don't like it, are really feeling like their OWN association of it with the news keeps them from liking it as a name - which I get. I get why some people think it's an issue. But if people personally knew someone named Isis, they probably would not *really* think it was that unfortunate. They'd just think it was given because of the goddess. Unless they were being deliberately hysterical.
I knew a gal named Arwen. I met her at a time when I thought it'd be lame to name a child Arwen because it's plainly a LOTR name. I also knew a Damian, at a time when I associated that name strongly with the film The Omen. I totally forgot those associations in relation to the people. They had names, perfectly good names that were names.
- mirfak
Take Mia. Mia is not ruined by the acronym MIA ... because nobody is lame enough to read that aloud pronounced as Mia. Maybe because the news doesn't cover MIAs like it covers them tErRiSts. Saying ISIS as Isis, seems like gimmickry to me. Like, imagine if they did read MIA as "Mia." It'd be lame. Yeah it seems awkward to spell out, "eye ess eye ess" ... but ISIL is always spelled out?? And not said as "is-ill" ... why not? Because calling it "Isis" is catchy, a gimmick... imo. Like Fannie Mae.
Isis the name, has been well known from the Egyptian myth, since a long time before. And Isis is a name that belongs to people in our own communities right now. A few thousand are out there; it was getting trendy for years before cooptation, about in sync with Aspen, and I think it would have taken off similarly if not for the news. People named Isis will still be living for a long time, establishing their name as a name. It's not shameful...
I think people who don't like it, are really feeling like their OWN association of it with the news keeps them from liking it as a name - which I get. I get why some people think it's an issue. But if people personally knew someone named Isis, they probably would not *really* think it was that unfortunate. They'd just think it was given because of the goddess. Unless they were being deliberately hysterical.
I knew a gal named Arwen. I met her at a time when I thought it'd be lame to name a child Arwen because it's plainly a LOTR name. I also knew a Damian, at a time when I associated that name strongly with the film The Omen. I totally forgot those associations in relation to the people. They had names, perfectly good names that were names.
- mirfak
This message was edited 1/30/2024, 9:40 AM
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I personally think it would be unfortunate to have the name Isis right now. I can know it's because of something else but still find it unfortunate because of its associations.