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in reply to a message by lakin5
The term “Indians” may still get used but the only way it’s goin to die out is by instructing people that it’s not the correct term. When people come into my fabric store asking for “Indian” fabric I always clarify and ask “Native American?” because Indian fabric and Native American fabric look very different, and those customers should be subtly told so. Ariane asked what the proper term was, so if you don’t agree with using Indian I’m not sure why you would suggest it? If you don’t condone it’s usage why perpetuate it by telling someone else it’s an acceptable term?
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Because many know it is the wrong but it doesn't stop it use by accident, and especially from older people where the term was more common plus there is lots of none updated text books and old media which used those terms and you have to activately correct yourself any time it is used. For kids growing up around older people who use it, it is hard to not hear them use the word, so you can't help but say, so you have to self censor your whenever you have language slip up.
I did say that it was being slowly phased out, but that doesn't stop older people from using it and it can cause younger people to use it, but after generations it would be fully phased out, we just haven't gotten to that point yet that why I put there because there is still a generation that still use it!
Political correctness takes time, it doesn't happen over night and a person who grew up in a time where something was correct but no it wasn't is hard to unlearn so slips up should be taken lightly but not those who do intentionally which should be more hammered in, but it is being hammered to the point so those who slip up know that they are wrong so they punish themselves for using it accidentally so any more is just overkill.
Language is complex, word usage is hard to destroy completely so it takes generations to do so just do that, but being in translational period of it, it is hard to learn than unlearn certian words are brians just can't do like a switch!
I did say that it was being slowly phased out, but that doesn't stop older people from using it and it can cause younger people to use it, but after generations it would be fully phased out, we just haven't gotten to that point yet that why I put there because there is still a generation that still use it!
Political correctness takes time, it doesn't happen over night and a person who grew up in a time where something was correct but no it wasn't is hard to unlearn so slips up should be taken lightly but not those who do intentionally which should be more hammered in, but it is being hammered to the point so those who slip up know that they are wrong so they punish themselves for using it accidentally so any more is just overkill.
Language is complex, word usage is hard to destroy completely so it takes generations to do so just do that, but being in translational period of it, it is hard to learn than unlearn certian words are brians just can't do like a switch!
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I understand what you're saying. My great grandma was using the term "colored" in her 90s in the naughties. For her, that was acceptable because you weren't supposed to use the term negro anymore. For her, she had already become more politically correct and it was still changing. She was deaf and blind and died at 100.
I think a middle aged person should be corrected, but someone who is 80/90 years old and going to die soon anyway, what's the point?
I think a middle aged person should be corrected, but someone who is 80/90 years old and going to die soon anyway, what's the point?
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Same, just as long as you know they don't have any distrimantion intention with their words, it is fine because they still use the word that was political correct for the time so it can easily be forgiven!
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When I was a child in the 1960s, my father used to call African-Americans "colored". I can remember him doing so. He did, however, at some point, transition to calling them "black". I guess I'll give him props.
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Yeah, my parents still go back and forth on which term to use for Native Americans, so times I find it worth correcting them other times I'm too tired to do use! Plus they watch lots of old timey shows so they still hear it from time to time!
This message was edited 2/4/2018, 11:08 AM
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Yes I understand that the transition takes time, and that people need not be berated for accidentally using it on occasion. I’m just confused as to why you would suggest it as a valid option to someone trying to make a distinction. Especially when you yourself admit that it’s use it being phased out
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Because they had them all listed out on their OP and I just wanted to point how they all were being used, just because it isn't the correct term is still a term that is being used. And them being from Germany they won't have them same context as an American would, so if an American did it I be quick to correct them but those who not the Americans or a place with a native group, I feel more obliged to explain things more because they maybe not know what is and isn't the correct term.
I didn't put a lot of thought into my original comment but I thought just putting that it is being phased out would be enough to cover it with any more explaination but apparently not? It is a complicated issue so I can't do all the explaining with whole lot of research on the topic, just giving my point of view as well as others to give more context to everything!
I guess I have a tendency to over explain stuff! Haha!
I didn't put a lot of thought into my original comment but I thought just putting that it is being phased out would be enough to cover it with any more explaination but apparently not? It is a complicated issue so I can't do all the explaining with whole lot of research on the topic, just giving my point of view as well as others to give more context to everything!
I guess I have a tendency to over explain stuff! Haha!
This message was edited 2/4/2018, 10:14 AM
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Also I didn't full understand the full context of the OP, but I wrote what I thought was the best answer for the time! I thought they asked about what terms were being used, and not what is the most correct, and said how they term Indians was being phased out as back then it was a correct term and I was saying how is not anymore!
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