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in reply to a message by Sabrina Fair
To be brutally honest:
Never mind the "fag" part, but do you really want to name your child after a sleazy villain who ends up hanged, and who has an antisemitic connotation? And don't pull the excuse of "not everyone will be aware of it" because it's a really well-known character, in between the book, the musical and the various film adaptations.
If you REALLY want it it might be marginally better if you change the spelling, but not very much if it's still pronounced Fagin.
ETA: I'd suggest you look up the actual Dickens character, rather than the Disney cartoon adaptation which is bound to take away the nastier elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagin
Never mind the "fag" part, but do you really want to name your child after a sleazy villain who ends up hanged, and who has an antisemitic connotation? And don't pull the excuse of "not everyone will be aware of it" because it's a really well-known character, in between the book, the musical and the various film adaptations.
If you REALLY want it it might be marginally better if you change the spelling, but not very much if it's still pronounced Fagin.
ETA: I'd suggest you look up the actual Dickens character, rather than the Disney cartoon adaptation which is bound to take away the nastier elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagin
This message was edited 3/1/2009, 10:22 AM
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Hm while that's a sucky character the child wouldn't be named for him.
I like the name Fagin in general, though I did get it like I said from O & C cause it was interesting sounding. I honetly forgot about Oliver Twist (ironically, lol) since Fagin in O&C isn't considered bad. I think of O & C, before Twist which is odd too.
Thanks for sharing though I admit I'm not completely sold to nix it all together.
ETA: I'm not saying others wouldn't think of that character mind you :).
I like the name Fagin in general, though I did get it like I said from O & C cause it was interesting sounding. I honetly forgot about Oliver Twist (ironically, lol) since Fagin in O&C isn't considered bad. I think of O & C, before Twist which is odd too.
Thanks for sharing though I admit I'm not completely sold to nix it all together.
ETA: I'm not saying others wouldn't think of that character mind you :).
This message was edited 3/1/2009, 2:52 PM
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Hm while that's a sucky character the child wouldn't be named for him.
That really doesn't matter, though. The people your child encounters on a daily basis aren't going to see your intentions; they're just going to see the name. And, like it or not, the name has very ugly connotations for most people.
That really doesn't matter, though. The people your child encounters on a daily basis aren't going to see your intentions; they're just going to see the name. And, like it or not, the name has very ugly connotations for most people.
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Never said they wouldn't :). I can't help what others think when they see names, thanks for the opinion though.
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Yeah but
while people shouldn't be judged for their names, they are. You may not care that people associate your child's name with a terrible character, but I bet your child will. Try going around for a day introducing yourself as Cruella or Medusa and see how people react.
while people shouldn't be judged for their names, they are. You may not care that people associate your child's name with a terrible character, but I bet your child will. Try going around for a day introducing yourself as Cruella or Medusa and see how people react.
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I'd never use a name I'd hate to be called myself :) [m]
I know a cat named Cruella. For me honestly? I myself wouldn't mind being named Fagin at all, but that's just me personally though I'm starting to like it spelled Faegan better. Though it doesn't sound girly really the more I think of it. I might just use it on an animal or a sim most likely.
ETA: I have to read the book again to see how Fagin is. It's been a long time since I read it *goes and starts to read it*.
I know a cat named Cruella. For me honestly? I myself wouldn't mind being named Fagin at all, but that's just me personally though I'm starting to like it spelled Faegan better. Though it doesn't sound girly really the more I think of it. I might just use it on an animal or a sim most likely.
ETA: I have to read the book again to see how Fagin is. It's been a long time since I read it *goes and starts to read it*.
This message was edited 3/1/2009, 4:36 PM
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Okay, well, it's your choice :-)
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Ok so if someone likes the sound of Hitler it's ok to use it as a name because then you're not naming the child "after" Hitler? The bad association still remains.
I've become more open-minded towards your naming style than I used to be, and I ackowledge that you have imagination and maybe the rest of us are too concerned about the opinions of others, but in some cases, like this one, you really seem naive, not to say blind.
I've become more open-minded towards your naming style than I used to be, and I ackowledge that you have imagination and maybe the rest of us are too concerned about the opinions of others, but in some cases, like this one, you really seem naive, not to say blind.
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I never said others wouldn't think of the character. I can't help what others would think. :o)
Naming a child Hitler is totally different than using a name associated with a fictional character.
ETA: none the less, thanks for sharing still.
Naming a child Hitler is totally different than using a name associated with a fictional character.
ETA: none the less, thanks for sharing still.
This message was edited 3/1/2009, 2:56 PM
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