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Help[Facts] Re: RALUCA
in reply to a message by Ora (hufflepuffer)
I agree with the guesswork part, we should be accurate.
For that matter, because of the geographical distance, I think it's highly unlikely that it is Serbo-Croatian since the place we first know it from is right on the other side of Romania, closer to Asia, the greek-influenced cities and such.
The Latin is actually accurate. I have 5 years of Latin studies.
Could come from:
"radius,-ii" which means ray of light, ray.
And "lux, lucis" which means light or light of the sun.
It could also be Greek, like from Rallou.
And what several of my Bulgarian friends keep reminding me, could be like Ralica. Which is a name for Orion.
I doubt a name that is solely found in one territory on the entire planet could have morphed naturally in its current form. Aside from the "-uca" part which looks very much like a Romanian suffix, the "Ralu" name seems to have been invented on the Romanian territory. The parents of the first person to have worn this name could not have named their child from some random word for "plough", they were actually very wealthy and their daughter was a princess. Because of their status, they must have been somehow connected with the Phanariotes, which makes them knowledgeable in Greek, Latin languages. And even Egyptian.
You have to have knowledge of Romanian history as well and from what I can tell, you are just assuming as well. You can tell that from the fact that you're very off with the Serbian-Croatian influence which couldn't have happened despite the geographical closeness. Romanian language is 80% Latin. Some Slavic influence comes from Russia and Bulgaria. Even the Hungarians that have ruled Transylvania with their Austro-Hungarian empire, with their remaining Magyar population, STILL haven't influenced the language.
The Romanian core language is made of Latin + the ancestors of Romans' language. Otherwise known as the Dacii. Even the Vatican has the biggest statue in Rome of a Dacii person because they are the ancestors of the Roman people.
But they had words containing "z" and "s". Like Sarmisegetuza or Zamolxis. Hence why it's not off to suggest that "Ras" or "Lus" is probable as a variant of Latin.
But then again something tells me we'll never know what those parents were thinking when they named their daughter "Raluca" or a variant of it.
For that matter, because of the geographical distance, I think it's highly unlikely that it is Serbo-Croatian since the place we first know it from is right on the other side of Romania, closer to Asia, the greek-influenced cities and such.
The Latin is actually accurate. I have 5 years of Latin studies.
Could come from:
"radius,-ii" which means ray of light, ray.
And "lux, lucis" which means light or light of the sun.
It could also be Greek, like from Rallou.
And what several of my Bulgarian friends keep reminding me, could be like Ralica. Which is a name for Orion.
I doubt a name that is solely found in one territory on the entire planet could have morphed naturally in its current form. Aside from the "-uca" part which looks very much like a Romanian suffix, the "Ralu" name seems to have been invented on the Romanian territory. The parents of the first person to have worn this name could not have named their child from some random word for "plough", they were actually very wealthy and their daughter was a princess. Because of their status, they must have been somehow connected with the Phanariotes, which makes them knowledgeable in Greek, Latin languages. And even Egyptian.
You have to have knowledge of Romanian history as well and from what I can tell, you are just assuming as well. You can tell that from the fact that you're very off with the Serbian-Croatian influence which couldn't have happened despite the geographical closeness. Romanian language is 80% Latin. Some Slavic influence comes from Russia and Bulgaria. Even the Hungarians that have ruled Transylvania with their Austro-Hungarian empire, with their remaining Magyar population, STILL haven't influenced the language.
The Romanian core language is made of Latin + the ancestors of Romans' language. Otherwise known as the Dacii. Even the Vatican has the biggest statue in Rome of a Dacii person because they are the ancestors of the Roman people.
But they had words containing "z" and "s". Like Sarmisegetuza or Zamolxis. Hence why it's not off to suggest that "Ras" or "Lus" is probable as a variant of Latin.
But then again something tells me we'll never know what those parents were thinking when they named their daughter "Raluca" or a variant of it.
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I know everything I said is guesswork, I said as much in my reply. But you didn't say "radius", you said "raz" and raz is not a Latin word and relating it to radius is a stretch on your part as well. Even still, looking at the most likely etymologies for those words does not lead to Ra, the Egyptian god, no matter what, which is what I was mostly going after. As for the Slavic origins, just because a name is used in one culture doesn't mean it necessarily has origins in it... as you pointed out in your own reply. But that doesn't mean that an etymology including Ra is as equally likely either, it's one of the most unlikely, as 'modern' names with Ancient Egyptian roots are near non-existent, especially outside of its native region. My suggestions with the Slavic origins were based on what the name looks and sounds like now, and what I could find for appropriate probably roots, and what could be likely (given the region and its history) and was only meant to be another idea that shows that we have no idea where the name came from and thus the name page should not be updated.
This message was edited 5/20/2014, 2:43 PM
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If the name is made up then everything is possible, so that's a problem.
I was mostly on the Latin side to begin with and mostly on the old Latin version since the country is the cradle of the Latin language and you find loads of "Z"s in Dac words. I was just emulating their pattern using Dac words.
I still found the Egyptian version plausible if the other names were correct etymologically. But if they're not, like you suggest then..
Well, then this name might remains a mystery.
Still I think it's a shame not to update the page with various interpretations or at least geographical and historical data. Maybe there's a linguist out there who can shed some light on the matter.
But either way, we're good. Thanks for the input, useful too!
I was mostly on the Latin side to begin with and mostly on the old Latin version since the country is the cradle of the Latin language and you find loads of "Z"s in Dac words. I was just emulating their pattern using Dac words.
I still found the Egyptian version plausible if the other names were correct etymologically. But if they're not, like you suggest then..
Well, then this name might remains a mystery.
Still I think it's a shame not to update the page with various interpretations or at least geographical and historical data. Maybe there's a linguist out there who can shed some light on the matter.
But either way, we're good. Thanks for the input, useful too!
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