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in reply to a message by Lily
When I hear Heath all by itself, I think of him. When I hear Heathcliff, I think of three things:
1. "Wuthering Heights"
2. Cliff Huxtable from "The Cosby Show"
3. A fat orange cat that looks like Garfield, but isn't Garfield (I'm really dating myself, here.)
As to why people name their sons after WH Heathcliff: well, they like the book, and Heathcliff is a passionate, dark character. That's what they're drawn to. And honestly, I don't really think it matters that he wasn't a good person if people like the name enough. Heathcliff was never meant to be a role model.
1. "Wuthering Heights"
2. Cliff Huxtable from "The Cosby Show"
3. A fat orange cat that looks like Garfield, but isn't Garfield (I'm really dating myself, here.)
As to why people name their sons after WH Heathcliff: well, they like the book, and Heathcliff is a passionate, dark character. That's what they're drawn to. And honestly, I don't really think it matters that he wasn't a good person if people like the name enough. Heathcliff was never meant to be a role model.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 3:19 PM
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Is Ledger a good or bad association?
I'm not sure. I didn't follow his career.
I'm not sure. I didn't follow his career.
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Neither. He was a human being.
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A bit of both, I guess. He was a great actor but he seemed to have had a drug problem. He overdosed and died. I don't know whether it was about illegal drugs or prescribtion medicine but he didn't look very healthy in the last couple of years of his life. He also had an affair with Mary-Kate Olsen.
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Does having an affair with Mary-Kate Olsen go on the credit or the debit side?
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I don't think it's wrong that he had an affair with her at all, she was older than 18 at the time and he was separated from his wife as far as I know. It's just that Mary-Kate is into drugs and denied to testify in court or something and also she sent some manager or bodyguard to his house (probably to get rid of the drugs) before she sent an ambulance. Or did the housekeeper call her before she called an ambulance? Something like that. It isn't about them having an affair, more about the fact that her being involved makes the whole thing more suspicious.
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Mary Kate was in California when Heath died. Heath's massage therapist called her before calling an ambulance, and MK said she would send her security team over to try and help him, but Heath was dead by then. As far as I know, she never refused to testify in court, or anything like that. The cops never interviewed her, and she went on with her life.
Heath was into drugs WAY before he started seeing MK, so while she and the massage therapist should have been quicker to dial 911, I don't think it's fair to paint her as some sort of femme fatale, or something. Heath was already messed up.
Heath was into drugs WAY before he started seeing MK, so while she and the massage therapist should have been quicker to dial 911, I don't think it's fair to paint her as some sort of femme fatale, or something. Heath was already messed up.
This message was edited 6/24/2012, 3:29 PM
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She refused to be interviewed unless she'd be granted immunity from prosecution, which in my opinion you do when you have something to hide.
I never meant to blame Mary-Kate. I like her a lot and grew up with her movies. But to me the whole story that he died from prescription medicine is kind of fishy. I think he was definitely into harder drugs. Not that I can prove it, but he looked bad for someone in his late 20s. Mary-Kate seems to be into drugs as well. I never meant to say that it was her fault, it definitely wasn't. He decided to take them after all and I agree that he was into the whole stuff probably years before meeting her.
I never meant to blame Mary-Kate. I like her a lot and grew up with her movies. But to me the whole story that he died from prescription medicine is kind of fishy. I think he was definitely into harder drugs. Not that I can prove it, but he looked bad for someone in his late 20s. Mary-Kate seems to be into drugs as well. I never meant to say that it was her fault, it definitely wasn't. He decided to take them after all and I agree that he was into the whole stuff probably years before meeting her.
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Sorry if I made it sound that way. I'm cranky today, but it's got nothing to do with anyone here. :)
I don't find it hard to believe that he could have died from an overdose of prescription meds, since that happens to people all the time. I do agree that he was probably on harder stuff, though. You'd be hard pressed to find a young actor in Hollywood who hasn't dabbled in drugs.
I don't find it hard to believe that he could have died from an overdose of prescription meds, since that happens to people all the time. I do agree that he was probably on harder stuff, though. You'd be hard pressed to find a young actor in Hollywood who hasn't dabbled in drugs.
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Hahaha don't worry about it ;) However it happened, it's sad that he died so young and I don't think it really would have helped anyone had she been interviewed. He was dead and nothing could have changed that. I guess most people would have done the same thing.
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I don't see how he could have had an affair, since the rumor was that he was seeing her after he and Michelle Williams broke up, and neither of them were married. Where is the affair? I'm not seeing it.
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You're not seeing it because you don't know the definition of the word affair. An affair doesn't necessarily include cheating on someone. It simply means that you have a romantic relationship with someone that's not really serious and doesn't last very long. I never implied that he was cheating on someone or that she was.
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Nope, can't say I'm familiar with that particular definition of the word. I'm sure it's legit, but I never hear anyone use it in real life. I just hear people say, "I'm seeing So-and-So" if it's not serious.
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Oh okay, it is used here all of the time for some reason.
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Oh yeah, I remember The Cosby Show. I watched some of the reruns. Did you know that his full name was Heathclifford Huxtable? Quite a mouthful. They changed it to Heathcliff in later seasons.
I know he was never meant to be a role model. I just find it interesting that people would name their kids after such a dark character. I mean usually you would name your kid after someone with character traits you would want for your kid. My guess is that most people wouldn't want their child to be full of hate and anger. Yes, he was also intelligent and passionate but he was so awful to everyone except for Cathy. I don't have a problem with people naming their child Heath or Heathcliff, I like Heath myself. I just find it weird when people proudly explain to you that they named their child after him as if he were the greatest guy that ever existed. Sometimes that makes me wonder whether they read the book.
I know he was never meant to be a role model. I just find it interesting that people would name their kids after such a dark character. I mean usually you would name your kid after someone with character traits you would want for your kid. My guess is that most people wouldn't want their child to be full of hate and anger. Yes, he was also intelligent and passionate but he was so awful to everyone except for Cathy. I don't have a problem with people naming their child Heath or Heathcliff, I like Heath myself. I just find it weird when people proudly explain to you that they named their child after him as if he were the greatest guy that ever existed. Sometimes that makes me wonder whether they read the book.
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Did you know that Edward identifies with Heathcliff? I read Wuthering Heights long before my friend brought me Eclipse, when I was sick. In Eclipse Edward says that he has a lot in common with Heathcliff. Wuthering Heights is also Bella's favorite book. I almost fell off my chair when I read that part. It makes perfect sense.
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I only read half of the first book, so no, I didn't know that. Add Edward and Bella (and Stephenie Meyer, by extension) to the list of people who totally misinterpret the novel. No, it is not the most romantic thing ever. It's brooding and dark, and passionate, yes, but not romantic . Not really.
Ugh. I'll get off my soapbox, now.
Ugh. I'll get off my soapbox, now.
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I'm pretty sure Stephenie Meyer misinterprets Romeo and Juliet in a later book too, so it wouldn't be too surprising. Bella *reads* these classic books, look how smart. SMeyer likes using allusion but is also extremely lazy.
She apparently has a degree in English literature and I kind of wonder how.
She apparently has a degree in English literature and I kind of wonder how.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 6:22 PM
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She has an English degree in literature because she got that degree from Brigham Young University, AKA Mormons Forever University (w00t!). As anyone who has been part of the LDS church (and I was, for quite a few years) would tell you, if they were honest with themselves, getting a degree at BYU is not at all like getting a degree at a "regular" university. Lots of credits are fulfilled by religious classes.
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BFD. A lot of stupid people read. That doesn't count as character development.
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
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