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Do you associate this with Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights? Just wondering because I can't stand the character. He is never called just Heith, though. At least as far as I remember.
I wonder why some people name their kid after this character, he's horrible. I know two boys who were for sure named after him, even a sibset: Catherine and Heath. But Catherine goes by Kate, not Cathy.
So do you think people would assume I love the character? And what do you think of Heath?
I wonder why some people name their kid after this character, he's horrible. I know two boys who were for sure named after him, even a sibset: Catherine and Heath. But Catherine goes by Kate, not Cathy.
So do you think people would assume I love the character? And what do you think of Heath?
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I wouldn't presume so. I rather like Heathcliff.
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I don't associate it with Heathcliff at all. Heath Ledger is my first thought when I hear it as a name, not that I've ever come across one in real life. Either that or I think of the word heath, as in an area of land.
I don't have anything against it but it's not my style.
I don't have anything against it but it's not my style.
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Associate Heath with Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights? Never. I think of Heath Bars and Heath Bar Crunch ice cream. Actually, the character isn't even my first association for Heathcliff; that would be Heathcliff the Cat. So, I wouldn't assume a Heath's mom loved Brontë's bratty boy, but I might wonder if she was a Heath Ledger fan (or a chocolate-covered toffee fan).
I like Heath well enough. It feels warm, naturey, and a little bit romantic. But it should never be paired with a sister named Catherine. That's just...it reminds me of these obsessed Star Wars fans who named their kids Han and Leia. It's weird.
I like Heath well enough. It feels warm, naturey, and a little bit romantic. But it should never be paired with a sister named Catherine. That's just...it reminds me of these obsessed Star Wars fans who named their kids Han and Leia. It's weird.
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No, the first person I would associate (first that pops in my head) is Heath Ledger, if I associated it with anyone at all. But that's just me :)
It's a little... rough? But a nice name. NMS though.
It's a little... rough? But a nice name. NMS though.
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I don't associate it with Wuthering Heights probably because I've never read it.
I think of Heath Bars.
I don't think Heath is a bad name. I don't like it really, but it has a pleasant sort of image. It makes me think of Scottish or Yorkshire moors for some reaosn. Oh, probably because of heather. Yes, that's it. It's a nice image. :)
I don't associate it with Wuthering Heights probably because I've never read it.
I think of Heath Bars.
I don't think Heath is a bad name. I don't like it really, but it has a pleasant sort of image. It makes me think of Scottish or Yorkshire moors for some reaosn. Oh, probably because of heather. Yes, that's it. It's a nice image. :)
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Yeah it makes me think of moors too. Sure you haven't read Wuthering Heights? ;) Because she describes the landscape which is why it makes me think of moors. I also really like Heather even though most people think it's dated.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 3:25 PM
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The moors are where the heather is. I got my initial moors learnin' from The Secret Garden. :)
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...Ledger.
When I hear Heath all by itself, I think of him. When I hear Heathcliff, I think of three things:
1. "Wuthering Heights"
2. Cliff Huxtable from "The Cosby Show"
3. A fat orange cat that looks like Garfield, but isn't Garfield (I'm really dating myself, here.)
As to why people name their sons after WH Heathcliff: well, they like the book, and Heathcliff is a passionate, dark character. That's what they're drawn to. And honestly, I don't really think it matters that he wasn't a good person if people like the name enough. Heathcliff was never meant to be a role model.
When I hear Heath all by itself, I think of him. When I hear Heathcliff, I think of three things:
1. "Wuthering Heights"
2. Cliff Huxtable from "The Cosby Show"
3. A fat orange cat that looks like Garfield, but isn't Garfield (I'm really dating myself, here.)
As to why people name their sons after WH Heathcliff: well, they like the book, and Heathcliff is a passionate, dark character. That's what they're drawn to. And honestly, I don't really think it matters that he wasn't a good person if people like the name enough. Heathcliff was never meant to be a role model.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 3:19 PM
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Is Ledger a good or bad association?
I'm not sure. I didn't follow his career.
I'm not sure. I didn't follow his career.
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Neither. He was a human being.
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A bit of both, I guess. He was a great actor but he seemed to have had a drug problem. He overdosed and died. I don't know whether it was about illegal drugs or prescribtion medicine but he didn't look very healthy in the last couple of years of his life. He also had an affair with Mary-Kate Olsen.
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Does having an affair with Mary-Kate Olsen go on the credit or the debit side?
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I don't think it's wrong that he had an affair with her at all, she was older than 18 at the time and he was separated from his wife as far as I know. It's just that Mary-Kate is into drugs and denied to testify in court or something and also she sent some manager or bodyguard to his house (probably to get rid of the drugs) before she sent an ambulance. Or did the housekeeper call her before she called an ambulance? Something like that. It isn't about them having an affair, more about the fact that her being involved makes the whole thing more suspicious.
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Mary Kate was in California when Heath died. Heath's massage therapist called her before calling an ambulance, and MK said she would send her security team over to try and help him, but Heath was dead by then. As far as I know, she never refused to testify in court, or anything like that. The cops never interviewed her, and she went on with her life.
Heath was into drugs WAY before he started seeing MK, so while she and the massage therapist should have been quicker to dial 911, I don't think it's fair to paint her as some sort of femme fatale, or something. Heath was already messed up.
Heath was into drugs WAY before he started seeing MK, so while she and the massage therapist should have been quicker to dial 911, I don't think it's fair to paint her as some sort of femme fatale, or something. Heath was already messed up.
This message was edited 6/24/2012, 3:29 PM
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She refused to be interviewed unless she'd be granted immunity from prosecution, which in my opinion you do when you have something to hide.
I never meant to blame Mary-Kate. I like her a lot and grew up with her movies. But to me the whole story that he died from prescription medicine is kind of fishy. I think he was definitely into harder drugs. Not that I can prove it, but he looked bad for someone in his late 20s. Mary-Kate seems to be into drugs as well. I never meant to say that it was her fault, it definitely wasn't. He decided to take them after all and I agree that he was into the whole stuff probably years before meeting her.
I never meant to blame Mary-Kate. I like her a lot and grew up with her movies. But to me the whole story that he died from prescription medicine is kind of fishy. I think he was definitely into harder drugs. Not that I can prove it, but he looked bad for someone in his late 20s. Mary-Kate seems to be into drugs as well. I never meant to say that it was her fault, it definitely wasn't. He decided to take them after all and I agree that he was into the whole stuff probably years before meeting her.
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Sorry if I made it sound that way. I'm cranky today, but it's got nothing to do with anyone here. :)
I don't find it hard to believe that he could have died from an overdose of prescription meds, since that happens to people all the time. I do agree that he was probably on harder stuff, though. You'd be hard pressed to find a young actor in Hollywood who hasn't dabbled in drugs.
I don't find it hard to believe that he could have died from an overdose of prescription meds, since that happens to people all the time. I do agree that he was probably on harder stuff, though. You'd be hard pressed to find a young actor in Hollywood who hasn't dabbled in drugs.
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Hahaha don't worry about it ;) However it happened, it's sad that he died so young and I don't think it really would have helped anyone had she been interviewed. He was dead and nothing could have changed that. I guess most people would have done the same thing.
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I don't see how he could have had an affair, since the rumor was that he was seeing her after he and Michelle Williams broke up, and neither of them were married. Where is the affair? I'm not seeing it.
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You're not seeing it because you don't know the definition of the word affair. An affair doesn't necessarily include cheating on someone. It simply means that you have a romantic relationship with someone that's not really serious and doesn't last very long. I never implied that he was cheating on someone or that she was.
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Nope, can't say I'm familiar with that particular definition of the word. I'm sure it's legit, but I never hear anyone use it in real life. I just hear people say, "I'm seeing So-and-So" if it's not serious.
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Oh okay, it is used here all of the time for some reason.
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Oh yeah, I remember The Cosby Show. I watched some of the reruns. Did you know that his full name was Heathclifford Huxtable? Quite a mouthful. They changed it to Heathcliff in later seasons.
I know he was never meant to be a role model. I just find it interesting that people would name their kids after such a dark character. I mean usually you would name your kid after someone with character traits you would want for your kid. My guess is that most people wouldn't want their child to be full of hate and anger. Yes, he was also intelligent and passionate but he was so awful to everyone except for Cathy. I don't have a problem with people naming their child Heath or Heathcliff, I like Heath myself. I just find it weird when people proudly explain to you that they named their child after him as if he were the greatest guy that ever existed. Sometimes that makes me wonder whether they read the book.
I know he was never meant to be a role model. I just find it interesting that people would name their kids after such a dark character. I mean usually you would name your kid after someone with character traits you would want for your kid. My guess is that most people wouldn't want their child to be full of hate and anger. Yes, he was also intelligent and passionate but he was so awful to everyone except for Cathy. I don't have a problem with people naming their child Heath or Heathcliff, I like Heath myself. I just find it weird when people proudly explain to you that they named their child after him as if he were the greatest guy that ever existed. Sometimes that makes me wonder whether they read the book.
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Did you know that Edward identifies with Heathcliff? I read Wuthering Heights long before my friend brought me Eclipse, when I was sick. In Eclipse Edward says that he has a lot in common with Heathcliff. Wuthering Heights is also Bella's favorite book. I almost fell off my chair when I read that part. It makes perfect sense.
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I only read half of the first book, so no, I didn't know that. Add Edward and Bella (and Stephenie Meyer, by extension) to the list of people who totally misinterpret the novel. No, it is not the most romantic thing ever. It's brooding and dark, and passionate, yes, but not romantic . Not really.
Ugh. I'll get off my soapbox, now.
Ugh. I'll get off my soapbox, now.
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I'm pretty sure Stephenie Meyer misinterprets Romeo and Juliet in a later book too, so it wouldn't be too surprising. Bella *reads* these classic books, look how smart. SMeyer likes using allusion but is also extremely lazy.
She apparently has a degree in English literature and I kind of wonder how.
She apparently has a degree in English literature and I kind of wonder how.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 6:22 PM
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She has an English degree in literature because she got that degree from Brigham Young University, AKA Mormons Forever University (w00t!). As anyone who has been part of the LDS church (and I was, for quite a few years) would tell you, if they were honest with themselves, getting a degree at BYU is not at all like getting a degree at a "regular" university. Lots of credits are fulfilled by religious classes.
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BFD. A lot of stupid people read. That doesn't count as character development.
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
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Well, Heathcliff, though horrible in many ways, was also strong, rugged, extremely masculine, determined, intelligent, passionate, and devoted to his one true love. So there might be something there to name your kid after.
I wouldn't assume that anyone named Heath---Heath, not Heathcliff---was named after him. Does the Heath in your Catherine and Heath sibset have Heathcliff as a full name, or is it just Heath? If it's just Heath, I think the parents goofed up if their intent was to name their son after Heathcliff.
I like Heath, and no, I don't think it will be assumed that you love the character Heathcliff.
I wouldn't assume that anyone named Heath---Heath, not Heathcliff---was named after him. Does the Heath in your Catherine and Heath sibset have Heathcliff as a full name, or is it just Heath? If it's just Heath, I think the parents goofed up if their intent was to name their son after Heathcliff.
I like Heath, and no, I don't think it will be assumed that you love the character Heathcliff.
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Sorry, but I think overall he was just awful and a horrible role model. He was so full of hate and anger. He might have been intelligent and determined but that doesn't outweigh his bad character traits. There are many characters who are intelligent to name your child after, no reason to choose him. I also always wondered whether he was really so devoted to Cathy. I mean her daughter obviously meant a lot to her and he didn't exactly treat her well. I would just guess that if you truly loved someone you would also be somewhat nice to the people that person cares about, be it only to avoid hurting the one you love. I mean she was already dead by then, but still.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's fine when people named their kids Heath or even Heathcliff, I just think it's weird when they say that they deliberately named their kid after him. It makes me wonder whether they have actually read the novel.
No, he's just Heath. Heath Jonathan if I remember correctly. His sister is Catherine Rose but she has always been called Kate. I think you can name your child after someone without using the full name. Even though I agree that in this case it's kind of odd because the character is, as far as I remember, never called Heath.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's fine when people named their kids Heath or even Heathcliff, I just think it's weird when they say that they deliberately named their kid after him. It makes me wonder whether they have actually read the novel.
No, he's just Heath. Heath Jonathan if I remember correctly. His sister is Catherine Rose but she has always been called Kate. I think you can name your child after someone without using the full name. Even though I agree that in this case it's kind of odd because the character is, as far as I remember, never called Heath.
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Despite my love for the novel, and the fact that I seem to have somewhat more sympathy for Heathcliff than most people do, I would never name my son after him, that's for sure. He was filled with hate and anger, and this led him to lead an unhappy life. I don't think that's a good vibe, to say the least.
His passion for Cathy was so intense that it led him to resent her daughter, because her daughter was the product of her union with another man, a man who had supplanted him. Not that I would ever approve of a passion that produced that as a result, but that's the sort of emotion that makes the novel so fascinating to me.
His passion for Cathy was so intense that it led him to resent her daughter, because her daughter was the product of her union with another man, a man who had supplanted him. Not that I would ever approve of a passion that produced that as a result, but that's the sort of emotion that makes the novel so fascinating to me.
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Honestly, I associate it with Heath Ledger. Who incidentally was named Heathcliff for the character, and has a sister Catherine. I've honestly never read the book, was meant to in high school but ended up SparkNoting it cause I couldn't get through it. Just bad associations all around which is unfortunate cause I really like the sound and look of the name. :/
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Getting way OT
I loved the book. Heathcliff is impossible to approve of or really like as a person, but I was deeply touched and haunted by his passion for Catherine. The scene in which he calls for her through a broken window, in the midst of a snowstorm, years after she died, stays in my memory forever. That's why I love the book---it's unparalleled in its depiction of strong emotion. I've never read any other book that even approaches it in that regard. And when one sees Heathcliff's behavior in light of the fact that it springs from his heartbreak and frustration at the loss of the object of his devotion, he becomes a little more sympathetic. A little.
And to think that this sprung from the pen of a virginal spinster who never had a romantic attachment in her life and was miserable if she strayed more than a mile from her home on a lonely, desolate moor makes it even more fascinating. From where was she able to pull this emotion?
And another sad case of an author never knowing that he or she had written a masterpiece, just like F. Scott Fitzgerald and "The Great Gatsby" and John Kennedy Toole and "A Confederacy of Dunces."
I hope you don't mind the digression, it's just that I've stated on the Lounge that "Wuthering Heights" is my favorite classic novel, but I realize that I've never said why, so I took this opportunity.
I loved the book. Heathcliff is impossible to approve of or really like as a person, but I was deeply touched and haunted by his passion for Catherine. The scene in which he calls for her through a broken window, in the midst of a snowstorm, years after she died, stays in my memory forever. That's why I love the book---it's unparalleled in its depiction of strong emotion. I've never read any other book that even approaches it in that regard. And when one sees Heathcliff's behavior in light of the fact that it springs from his heartbreak and frustration at the loss of the object of his devotion, he becomes a little more sympathetic. A little.
And to think that this sprung from the pen of a virginal spinster who never had a romantic attachment in her life and was miserable if she strayed more than a mile from her home on a lonely, desolate moor makes it even more fascinating. From where was she able to pull this emotion?
And another sad case of an author never knowing that he or she had written a masterpiece, just like F. Scott Fitzgerald and "The Great Gatsby" and John Kennedy Toole and "A Confederacy of Dunces."
I hope you don't mind the digression, it's just that I've stated on the Lounge that "Wuthering Heights" is my favorite classic novel, but I realize that I've never said why, so I took this opportunity.
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Even though I don't really like the book I do appreciate it for a few things. I really like her writing style. She was a good writer and I wish she had written more. I don't remember exactly but I think except for the novel she only wrote a few poems/short stories with her sisters.
I also liked the feeling I got from the novel. I liked how she described the landscape, the old houses etc. The whole book was kind of gray and rainy (does that make sense?) and I liked that for some reason.
The thing is, I didn't like any of the characters. Young Cathy was kind of okay but also quite boring. I agree that the connection Heathcliff and Cathy had (old Cathy) was very powerful and I do appreciate the window scene as well, it was very emotional.
Thanks for reminding me, I always wanted to read more about the life of Emily and her sisters. I didn't know she was a spinster. I bet they've made some movies about them. That reminds me, I've wanted to read Charlotte's 'Shirley' for years. She made the name popular for girls :)
I also liked the feeling I got from the novel. I liked how she described the landscape, the old houses etc. The whole book was kind of gray and rainy (does that make sense?) and I liked that for some reason.
The thing is, I didn't like any of the characters. Young Cathy was kind of okay but also quite boring. I agree that the connection Heathcliff and Cathy had (old Cathy) was very powerful and I do appreciate the window scene as well, it was very emotional.
Thanks for reminding me, I always wanted to read more about the life of Emily and her sisters. I didn't know she was a spinster. I bet they've made some movies about them. That reminds me, I've wanted to read Charlotte's 'Shirley' for years. She made the name popular for girls :)
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The Brontë sisters are so fascinating for me. It's amazing that three such talented writers came from one family, but also tragic when you see how they all ended up. I think Charlotte was the most tragic; she lost all her siblings, and finally found some semblance of happiness in marriage, and then died while pregnant from tuberculosis or possibly hyperemesis gravidarum.
Jane Eyre was my favorite of all the books the sisters wrote, but I would have loved to read their really early work, like from their childhood and teen years. Apparently Charlotte, Emily, Anne, and their brother wrote some of the first documented fanfiction and real person fiction about a naval hero of the time.
Jane Eyre was my favorite of all the books the sisters wrote, but I would have loved to read their really early work, like from their childhood and teen years. Apparently Charlotte, Emily, Anne, and their brother wrote some of the first documented fanfiction and real person fiction about a naval hero of the time.
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I can't believe I still haven't read 'Jane Eyre'. I've read so many classics, but always kind of forgot about this one. I feel embarrassed now :P I wish I could find something like the imdb for books (the imdb has a watchlist and you can add the movies you want to watch). Some site where you can put books on your 'to read list' so that you don't forget about them.
I'm searching for some documentary right now. There should be one about Emily, Charlotte and Anne. Woohoo there's one on youtube :)
I'm searching for some documentary right now. There should be one about Emily, Charlotte and Anne. Woohoo there's one on youtube :)
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Ooh, I don't suppose you could send me the link to the documentary?
Also, try Goodreads.com. It's a bit like imdb, but with reader reviews and suggestions.
Also, try Goodreads.com. It's a bit like imdb, but with reader reviews and suggestions.
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I found two:
http://bolstablog.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/bronte-doc/
(twelve parts, scroll down to view the other parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQGgl-HtrmM
(this is the same documentary, on youtube, if you prefer that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zqi43upTqE
(a different documentary)
I don't know how good they are, I just started watching the first one. Thanks for the link!
http://bolstablog.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/bronte-doc/
(twelve parts, scroll down to view the other parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQGgl-HtrmM
(this is the same documentary, on youtube, if you prefer that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zqi43upTqE
(a different documentary)
I don't know how good they are, I just started watching the first one. Thanks for the link!
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I would just assume you liked the name Heath. I like it a lot, but it's also my husband's name so I may be a little biased. He never gets any Wuthering Heights comments, but people do make candy bar jokes. In his case, he's named after a relative.
This message was edited 6/23/2012, 1:40 PM
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I've never watched that show so no but I automatically read health and had to correct myself. I associate it to the candy bar.
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Wuthering Heights is a novel. A classic, written by Emily Brontë.
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