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in reply to a message by Phyllis
"I haven't decided on a tradition yet, but I'm drawn in three directions (if I do go neopagan)."
@@@@ Which three directions? I'm curious.
"It's hard when you're surrounded by people trying to "save" you (i.y.k.w.i.m.) :D"
@@@@ Next time one of those annoying religious solicitors asks you: "Have you been saved?", simply answer: "Yes, I have been saved -- I escaped from [whatever religion is being pushed on you] years ago."
-- Nanaea
@@@@ Which three directions? I'm curious.
"It's hard when you're surrounded by people trying to "save" you (i.y.k.w.i.m.) :D"
@@@@ Next time one of those annoying religious solicitors asks you: "Have you been saved?", simply answer: "Yes, I have been saved -- I escaped from [whatever religion is being pushed on you] years ago."
-- Nanaea
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Nanaea, I spoke with my instructor and a few other people (including a few practicing satanists) and the consensus was that neopaganism and satanism are two separate but equal religious followings. Pagan comes from "paganus" meaning "of the country" (almost like when we say "hick" or "bumpkin"). Interestingly enough, I have to read a translation of a papal bull written by Innocent VIII about what to do when dealing with "devil worshippers" (pagans, jews, and others who didn't accept church doctrine, not just true satanists.) Thank the spirits of whatever that we don't live back then. (Ugh.) :( Gotta go. My "request offering" is waiting for a second round of burning. I hope the first round worked. ;)
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Well, even though modern-day Satanism is really more of a philosophy than a religion (for instance, Satanists don't "worship" Satan, they emulate the rebellious archtype which is called "Satan"), I would still describe it as being neopagan. That's if you define the word "pagan" as being "an irreligious person". Of course, the original definition of "pagan" was as you described above -- and also a person belonging to a community professing a polytheistic religion.
They've got you reading Pope Innocent VIII? "Thank the spirits of whatever that we don't live back then. (Ugh.)" Phyllis, we're not *that* far removed from the mentality of those times. Not when, within this past year, the current Pope decides to make a "saint" out of Pope Pius IX -- the Pope who condoned the kidnapping of a Jewish child as recently as 150 years ago in order to "save the soul" of that child and give him a "better life" being raised as a Christian. Little 6-year-old Edgardo Mortaro was the Elian Gonzales of his time -- but, unlike Elian, Edgardo was never returned to his father.
Ask your instructor to cover that topic in class sometime. It's not that far removed in history, and it can be directly compared to the arrogance -- both religious and political -- which one sees all around us even today.
-- Nanaea
They've got you reading Pope Innocent VIII? "Thank the spirits of whatever that we don't live back then. (Ugh.)" Phyllis, we're not *that* far removed from the mentality of those times. Not when, within this past year, the current Pope decides to make a "saint" out of Pope Pius IX -- the Pope who condoned the kidnapping of a Jewish child as recently as 150 years ago in order to "save the soul" of that child and give him a "better life" being raised as a Christian. Little 6-year-old Edgardo Mortaro was the Elian Gonzales of his time -- but, unlike Elian, Edgardo was never returned to his father.
Ask your instructor to cover that topic in class sometime. It's not that far removed in history, and it can be directly compared to the arrogance -- both religious and political -- which one sees all around us even today.
-- Nanaea
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Nan, I shall. Ask, that is. Concerning Innocent VIII, he not only condoned, but seemed to demand that people be tortured and/or killed to make them Christian. If you can find a translation of the "Malleus Maleficarum" (and if you have the time/inclination), you might want to read it. (That's what I have to read for Wednesday). I apologize to any and all Christians for my opinions concerning this topic, but the Inquisition and the progroms are a direct result of this papal bull (bull in both meanings of the word).
Changing the topic, how is P.L.'s little one? Were the offerings successful? :D <
Changing the topic, how is P.L.'s little one? Were the offerings successful? :D <
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Nanaea, I did better than that (concerning the "saved"). I told them yes. Saved from drowning, saved from electocution, saved from "daytime dramas", etc.
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