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HelpRe: Juliet - with query
in reply to a message by Billina
I like if not love this name.
While generally not a fan of the "ette" suffix due to meaning, I simultaneously like all forms of Julian, Julianne, (etc) - even Juliet (whichever spelling) whether a formal version or shorter casual reference through regular apocopation.
I have no reason to perform an "etymological scrub" on every name version I hear or see, nor do I necessarily know whether every name (version) I witness in daily life is one's formal name or not.
Fictitious scenario - Have fun with your responses.
My name is Julian. I am a one year old boy. I am sometimes called Julian, and I am sometimes called other, shorter versions. My mother sends me to bed (crib? - I am uncertain of age proprieties) for my afternoon nap. She is at my bed-side calming me--with the intention that I sleep.
Is my mother wrong or in any way inappropriate to call me Julie as an affectionate name?
While generally not a fan of the "ette" suffix due to meaning, I simultaneously like all forms of Julian, Julianne, (etc) - even Juliet (whichever spelling) whether a formal version or shorter casual reference through regular apocopation.
I have no reason to perform an "etymological scrub" on every name version I hear or see, nor do I necessarily know whether every name (version) I witness in daily life is one's formal name or not.
Fictitious scenario - Have fun with your responses.
My name is Julian. I am a one year old boy. I am sometimes called Julian, and I am sometimes called other, shorter versions. My mother sends me to bed (crib? - I am uncertain of age proprieties) for my afternoon nap. She is at my bed-side calming me--with the intention that I sleep.
Is my mother wrong or in any way inappropriate to call me Julie as an affectionate name?
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Jules is a cool name too
Although I haven't read (of) the medieval saints in about two years or so - I generally love that stuff.
I also love naming males after female namesakes.
When Pope Francis publicly advocated Corporal Punishment against children - I wrote an essay concerning the horrors of such afflictions based on a legendary medieval theme (about) Saint Margaret.
Jules is a cool name too
Although I haven't read (of) the medieval saints in about two years or so - I generally love that stuff.
I also love naming males after female namesakes.
When Pope Francis publicly advocated Corporal Punishment against children - I wrote an essay concerning the horrors of such afflictions based on a legendary medieval theme (about) Saint Margaret.
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No, if I had a Julian this would be second nature to me. One of my closest friends is in fact named Julian and I have called him Julie or Jules often. These days it tends to be Jules, but in the past it was Julie. It never bothered him and he thought of it as affectionate. He is a gay man, though, which may help his comfort. I imagine insecure straight men may take issue.
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That is so cool!
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I've only ever heard it used for a male as a joke: two comedians, Canadian I think, reworked the assassination of Julius Caesar as a modern police-procedural thriller, to good effect. They challenge a suspicious-looking character and ask for his name - Mark Antony! He explains that he's just come from Caesar's funeral, where he made a speech: Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. The cops say "Oh yeah? What have you got in that sack?" to which he replies, "Ears." It goes on like that, and every so often Caesar's wife, called Mrs Caesar, is to be heard wailing "I told him, Julie, Julie, don't go!"
Perhaps for that reason, it has a kind of Mafia association for me: I can't think of any other possible nn for Julian or Julius which would be any better. The lesson seems to be that when choosing a name for a child, it's sensible to also consider the possible nns and if they don't seem right for whatever reason, then rather go for another name, because others will use them even if the family members don't.
I think the perpetrators of the comedy routine were called Wayne and Schuster, but my spelling might be way off target.
Perhaps for that reason, it has a kind of Mafia association for me: I can't think of any other possible nn for Julian or Julius which would be any better. The lesson seems to be that when choosing a name for a child, it's sensible to also consider the possible nns and if they don't seem right for whatever reason, then rather go for another name, because others will use them even if the family members don't.
I think the perpetrators of the comedy routine were called Wayne and Schuster, but my spelling might be way off target.
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I understand that I approach the world's measure from the opposite end - though not indecently; and that it is as difficult for the world to alter its position as it is me to alter my disposition - smile.
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I understand that I approach the world's measure from the opposite end - though not indecently; and that it is as difficult for the world to alter its position as it is me to alter my disposition - smile.
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I (informally) know a male Connie - but, not surprisingly, I can't remember his formal name.
I can definitely respect that; and it would be easy to imagine that as a boy grows - he'd rather lose that affectionate form.
I can definitely respect that; and it would be easy to imagine that as a boy grows - he'd rather lose that affectionate form.
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Jewel is cool - 'specially as an affectionate name, not that it can't bear a (unique) formal independence!
I'd enjoy Jules - the plural informality would make it an affectionate form (for me); only one other person beyond immediate family called me "Barbs" in my life - and when she did, my heart flew from my chest toward her.
I'd enjoy Jules - the plural informality would make it an affectionate form (for me); only one other person beyond immediate family called me "Barbs" in my life - and when she did, my heart flew from my chest toward her.
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It's not something I would do, but Julie sounds slightly more masculine to me than Ashley, and I have met a male Ashley.
And I like the idea of Juni or possibly June as a NN for Junius.
Whether it's wrong or not, would require me to be making a moral judgement based on gender ambiguity, which is something I don't personally do.
And I like the idea of Juni or possibly June as a NN for Junius.
Whether it's wrong or not, would require me to be making a moral judgement based on gender ambiguity, which is something I don't personally do.
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Wow - Ashley to me is entirely without gender; I know two adults by the name of Ashley--and each represents each gender - one is in the US and one is not.
I "feel" Julie to be feminine requisite through (my) birth demographic & name popularity.
I "feel" Julian to be feminine, though I know convention brings this one among the guys, yet I can't validate that a guy can't spell Julian as Juliann (Juliann / Julianne) (or that a girl can't spell Julianne as Julian) - or that any spelling or pronunciation cannot match with any synonym among the larger aggregate of variables.
I "feel" Julius to be universal yet since Julian conventionally steers more toward masculine, I can't (casually) forbid a Julius, a Julian (of any spelling) of either gender not to be Julie for short or (especially) for affection.
I "feel" Julie to reference pretty, though immediate evidence suggests otherwise; are we able to possibly reconsider this - at least on paper?
This is the first I learn of Junius--so I rather like June or Juni for either gender.
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I "feel" Julie to be feminine requisite through (my) birth demographic & name popularity.
I "feel" Julian to be feminine, though I know convention brings this one among the guys, yet I can't validate that a guy can't spell Julian as Juliann (Juliann / Julianne) (or that a girl can't spell Julianne as Julian) - or that any spelling or pronunciation cannot match with any synonym among the larger aggregate of variables.
I "feel" Julius to be universal yet since Julian conventionally steers more toward masculine, I can't (casually) forbid a Julius, a Julian (of any spelling) of either gender not to be Julie for short or (especially) for affection.
I "feel" Julie to reference pretty, though immediate evidence suggests otherwise; are we able to possibly reconsider this - at least on paper?
This is the first I learn of Junius--so I rather like June or Juni for either gender.
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The lady Ashley (that) I know is a professional (classical) musician - but she is a personal friend - yet she is a bit younger than I am; I didn't look to see that Ashley's US demographic has shifted from male to female.
We are real personal friends - somewhat lifelong; but I would not inundate her--nor she--me, with queries that we (should) hang out regularly.
Another Ashley is a London colleague.
We are real personal friends - somewhat lifelong; but I would not inundate her--nor she--me, with queries that we (should) hang out regularly.
Another Ashley is a London colleague.
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I wouldn't say it's "wrong" or "inappropriate", but I wouldn't do it.
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Your mother is not at all wrong.
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