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in reply to a message by Mackandal
Oh my god.
[This argument is aimed at all people that make this argument, not just you, Mackandal, but I will be using your examples].
KIDS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES DO NOT GET MORE SHIT THAN ANYONE ELSE
Seriously I HATE this argument.
Phineas Jones is going to suffer? Little Phin / Fin? NO. He isn't. Not for his name. He'll suffer if he's a weird little kid who likes picking his nose and wiping it on his classmates. But that'd be a problem even if his name was John.
I dont get what you're saying about sonnets and sweatervests-- My favorite boys name is Ashley, which is considered very feminine and if he wants to be a giant muddy football player, than I am TOTALLY ok with that. And if he wants to write sonnets that's cool too. Actually I'd love if he could be well balanced and do both! OH MAN HE'D HAVE ALL THE GIRLS (or boys, if that's what he likes.) My point is that I (and hopefully lots of parents) pick "odd" names BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LIKE THEM. Not because we want to like... impose hobbies and fashion choices on them. Now if I was naming my son Sweatervestlad then maybe I might want him to wear sweatervests.
but keep this in mind: Who would be more mocked: Little Michael who takes ballet or little Ptolemy who takes ballet?
UHHHH HOW BOUT THE ONE WHO IS LESS CONFIDENT IN HIS DECISIONS? Maybe Michael who takes ballet is a meek shy little boy who can't stand up for himself and Ptolemy is this confident little boy who feels awesome about taking ballet and shows off all his awesome dance moves (I knew a boy, name doesn't even matter, who was really short, to the point of it being strange, to the point where he would have been picked on (I was picked on for my height and I was taller than him...), but he was so popular because he took gymnastics and karate and was really confident and had awesome dance moves. He was Ptolemy here).
Children are NOT born knowing what names are weird, and the people who put the thoughts into their head are their parents. OK, maybe little Michael comes home and says "Mom I made a friend in ballet, his name is Ptolemy" and Mom says "WOW WHAT A WEIRDASS NAME" and Michael is all young and impressionable and goes to class the next day and is all "YOUR NAME IS WEIRD, PTOLEMY AND I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU?" (wait, Michael, what are you doing, he can help you with your pliés...)
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This argument is DUMB because I had the FOURTEENTH most popular name of the year I was born and I still didn't have any friends until I was 13 (and then I made friends with a bunch of other OUTCASTS who all had REALLY NORMAL names) and suffered a WHOLE lot during elementary school.
On top of that, I knew a little girl named Ryan in school and she was seriously like the coolest person ever even though that really isn't a "normal" name.
Whatever, I get if you don't like names that you don't consider "normal", but that doesn't mean all the kids with "abnormal" names are going to have issues. Kids with normal names get picked on too. As I said to Sam, "I'm me and you're you and we can both name our kids whatever we like and let's not be jerkasses about it to each other."
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I'm in a hurry and I'm tired and hopefully this doesn't start a huge fight because that's not my intention. This argument just annoys me so much.
[This argument is aimed at all people that make this argument, not just you, Mackandal, but I will be using your examples].
KIDS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES DO NOT GET MORE SHIT THAN ANYONE ELSE
Seriously I HATE this argument.
Phineas Jones is going to suffer? Little Phin / Fin? NO. He isn't. Not for his name. He'll suffer if he's a weird little kid who likes picking his nose and wiping it on his classmates. But that'd be a problem even if his name was John.
I dont get what you're saying about sonnets and sweatervests-- My favorite boys name is Ashley, which is considered very feminine and if he wants to be a giant muddy football player, than I am TOTALLY ok with that. And if he wants to write sonnets that's cool too. Actually I'd love if he could be well balanced and do both! OH MAN HE'D HAVE ALL THE GIRLS (or boys, if that's what he likes.) My point is that I (and hopefully lots of parents) pick "odd" names BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LIKE THEM. Not because we want to like... impose hobbies and fashion choices on them. Now if I was naming my son Sweatervestlad then maybe I might want him to wear sweatervests.
but keep this in mind: Who would be more mocked: Little Michael who takes ballet or little Ptolemy who takes ballet?
UHHHH HOW BOUT THE ONE WHO IS LESS CONFIDENT IN HIS DECISIONS? Maybe Michael who takes ballet is a meek shy little boy who can't stand up for himself and Ptolemy is this confident little boy who feels awesome about taking ballet and shows off all his awesome dance moves (I knew a boy, name doesn't even matter, who was really short, to the point of it being strange, to the point where he would have been picked on (I was picked on for my height and I was taller than him...), but he was so popular because he took gymnastics and karate and was really confident and had awesome dance moves. He was Ptolemy here).
Children are NOT born knowing what names are weird, and the people who put the thoughts into their head are their parents. OK, maybe little Michael comes home and says "Mom I made a friend in ballet, his name is Ptolemy" and Mom says "WOW WHAT A WEIRDASS NAME" and Michael is all young and impressionable and goes to class the next day and is all "YOUR NAME IS WEIRD, PTOLEMY AND I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU?" (wait, Michael, what are you doing, he can help you with your pliés...)
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This argument is DUMB because I had the FOURTEENTH most popular name of the year I was born and I still didn't have any friends until I was 13 (and then I made friends with a bunch of other OUTCASTS who all had REALLY NORMAL names) and suffered a WHOLE lot during elementary school.
On top of that, I knew a little girl named Ryan in school and she was seriously like the coolest person ever even though that really isn't a "normal" name.
Whatever, I get if you don't like names that you don't consider "normal", but that doesn't mean all the kids with "abnormal" names are going to have issues. Kids with normal names get picked on too. As I said to Sam, "I'm me and you're you and we can both name our kids whatever we like and let's not be jerkasses about it to each other."
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I'm in a hurry and I'm tired and hopefully this doesn't start a huge fight because that's not my intention. This argument just annoys me so much.
This message was edited 6/19/2011, 2:32 PM
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I know exactly what you mean! I know a girl named Antigone (nn Tiggy) and she's literally one the coolest/friendliest/ most confident people I know. She says people do comment on her name but only have nice things to say and it's never held her back.
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This message was edited 6/19/2011, 5:41 AM
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I like your argument, actually :P because my name isn't in the top 1000. And I'm over 13 too. I never got crud for my name, people complimented me on it. I kinda liked my name just as it was no matter how popular. I didn't care really if it was more popular, but I must admit it's fun how no one else I know has this name. It has it's ups and downs, if someone gossips with the name Kailey in their mouth, it could be several girls in my school, but with my name in their mouth, I know its me.
And to add: I think that if a kid at a young age assumes everyone to dislike him because he hates his uncommon or common name, he carries that baggage with him probably throughout his childhood and maybe life. But if that kid takes his name and runs with it and makes people proud of his achievements in life and he's confident, people will see him and be proud that he personified himself despite his name or whatever else factored into the situation that could have generalized him (or made him "stick out"). Now excuse my run-on sentence haha.
And to add: I think that if a kid at a young age assumes everyone to dislike him because he hates his uncommon or common name, he carries that baggage with him probably throughout his childhood and maybe life. But if that kid takes his name and runs with it and makes people proud of his achievements in life and he's confident, people will see him and be proud that he personified himself despite his name or whatever else factored into the situation that could have generalized him (or made him "stick out"). Now excuse my run-on sentence haha.
This message was edited 6/18/2011, 10:36 PM
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THANK YOU.
I have a "normal" name - really popular for my age group and all that. My sister's name, by comparison, is kind of "weird." (A lot of people would probably call it a "hick" name, actually.) My sister is a hundred times more popular than I EVER was - she's her class' Vice President and has tons of friends and is really well-liked. She had some problems with bullying in the past, but it was never related to her name.
My two best friends are Berlin and Mary. In high school, Mary got picked on WAY more than Berlin did. I wouldn't say Berlin was "popular" in the sense most people think of the word but she had a lot of friends and everyone always thought her name was really cool.
It's things like personality and lack of confidence and quirks that kids go after. Names can be fodder just like being overweight or freckles or glasses can be fodder (my sister, when she was picked on, was picked on for wearing glasses, to the point where she eventually begged for contacts), but I very much doubt many kids are picked on JUST because of their name. I can't think of a single instance of that ever happening.
I have a "normal" name - really popular for my age group and all that. My sister's name, by comparison, is kind of "weird." (A lot of people would probably call it a "hick" name, actually.) My sister is a hundred times more popular than I EVER was - she's her class' Vice President and has tons of friends and is really well-liked. She had some problems with bullying in the past, but it was never related to her name.
My two best friends are Berlin and Mary. In high school, Mary got picked on WAY more than Berlin did. I wouldn't say Berlin was "popular" in the sense most people think of the word but she had a lot of friends and everyone always thought her name was really cool.
It's things like personality and lack of confidence and quirks that kids go after. Names can be fodder just like being overweight or freckles or glasses can be fodder (my sister, when she was picked on, was picked on for wearing glasses, to the point where she eventually begged for contacts), but I very much doubt many kids are picked on JUST because of their name. I can't think of a single instance of that ever happening.
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sorry...posted in wrong place
This message was edited 6/20/2011, 4:16 PM
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Name, of course, isn't everything. However, in kindergarten, I remember not liking a kid because his name was Briarwood. Once the person's personality is known, name means much less. But initially, it means something.
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AGREED!!!
I just couldn't agree more!!! I don't even think I have anything to add that could make this rebuttal better.
I just couldn't agree more!!! I don't even think I have anything to add that could make this rebuttal better.
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I agree with you, it's a stupid argument...I have a normal name and people with normal names picked on me more than the weird named people...just my experience.... normal people are meaner than "Weird" people....my experience again... I guess they are just controlling and like to maintain the status Quo, Anything new is a threat to them i guess... when i went to school , they are two popular groups The druggies and the jocks and jockettes, I was not apart of either group... But there was a cool cheerleader that did help me when someone was picking on me, So not all popular people are bad...Her name was Krimson....
It's not a name makes a person, but the person makes the name...
It's not a name makes a person, but the person makes the name...
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It's not an argument that's entirely incorrect. In most cases, with all else being equal, people will like the child with the more normal name.
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That is both sad and incorrect.
The only people who "won't like" a child with an unusual name are probably people they shouldn't associate with anyway. If someone is willing to judge YOU based on something YOU did not have control of...why would you want to?
The only people who "won't like" a child with an unusual name are probably people they shouldn't associate with anyway. If someone is willing to judge YOU based on something YOU did not have control of...why would you want to?
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The hypothetical I was giving involved identical children with different names. And it was an either-or situation.
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Okay. I wouldn't, and most people agree with me.
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Really
Maybe you should like... take a poll because I really don't believe that.
Because if everyone is the same, Phineas is gonna be more memorable.
Maybe you should like... take a poll because I really don't believe that.
Because if everyone is the same, Phineas is gonna be more memorable.
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Well, I wouldn't know where to have a fair poll. People on here value uniqueness. I don't. But the population on here isn't representative of what society thinks. This community is too biased.
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I am currently polling on my tumblr, and I will ask people in real life as I can.
Do you not know people in real life or not go to any other forums that might allow off topic questions?
Do you not know people in real life or not go to any other forums that might allow off topic questions?
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I do know people in real life. I guess I could ask on another forum.
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I imagine in a world where everyone is exactly the same, we'd probably all like each other or all completely hate each other and names wouldn't even factor in.
I dont understand how you can say this. I've never met two people who are exactly the same.
I dont understand how you can say this. I've never met two people who are exactly the same.
This message was edited 6/19/2011, 11:19 AM
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That's why it was a hypothetical.
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That's only "weird" for this board. These names wouldnt be popular if people didn't keep using them.
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Not trying to fight with you. But as someone who grew up with a more uncommon name (and has siblings who have done the same, as well as someone who works with children on a regular basis) I can assure you that someone's name can never and should never be a basis for anything, hypothetical or not. Just because I may think a student's name is silly, and there are plenty of children I get whose names I do find silly, that never affects how I look at them. I am not about to meet students for the first time think "Greenleigh, that's different. Ava, Isabella, and Avery...again" and like the three girls with names I am more familiar with better just because their name is more common. THAT is silly. Parents can be judged by what their children are named, they are the ones who picked the name. But it does not reflect THEM as a person is the point I am trying to make. Judging someone simply by their name is ignorant. So feel free to judge ME based on the names I choose, but don't judge my (future) kids. Because I love that I grew up with a name and an identity I never had to share (and when I did it was more like finding an Easter egg than anything), and I want the same for my kids.
I realize I am probably being overly defensive, but this topic touches home for me.
I realize I am probably being overly defensive, but this topic touches home for me.
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agree
super annoying argument
super annoying argument
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