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in reply to a message by Chrisell
Gee thanks. Well, that is the last time that I post about something like that. I will have to do my own research from now on. Thank you for being so helpful.
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Hmm, well, if that's the kind of response I'm going to get, I won't offer you compliments in the future.
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
This message was edited 2/5/2005, 12:58 AM
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lol, I guess that wasn't a very good answer. I just meant that I missed out on doing my own research, which is really the fun part anyways. I really did appreciate the list of names though, and thank you. I honestly was a little offended by your remark, but I understand why you made it. I'm sorry if you were offended by mine, it wasn't meant to be rude in any way.
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Sorry you were offended.
It's often hard for someone my age (24) to judge whether posts like yours are made by a teenager who knows about names as opposed a teenager who just thinks names are cool. I jumped to the wrong conclusion that time - "guilty as charged"! Sorry about that.
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
It's often hard for someone my age (24) to judge whether posts like yours are made by a teenager who knows about names as opposed a teenager who just thinks names are cool. I jumped to the wrong conclusion that time - "guilty as charged"! Sorry about that.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Thank you, I'm sorry too. I reread that response and realized it sounds horribly sarcastic (a common problem). I think I was just disheartened because I was so excited about doing this project yet I got such negative answers...but I understand that I didn't explain the project very well. Anyways, if you have a list of Welsh names you think would work for a princess I would love to see it although I think the fairytale that this is based off of is Scottish (I'm not particularly familiar with the original story) so I am really leaning towards just giving her a list of Scottish names and being done with it.
Also, I just thought I'd ask about Aluralynn...would you have any speculation on how the person who did the research last time (I honestly have no idea who it was) came to the conclusion that it was a Scottish name? I'm trying to make a connection somehow, but I can't think of anything. I hadn't really thought about it much before you mentioned it, but now I'm very curious. :-)
Also, I just thought I'd ask about Aluralynn...would you have any speculation on how the person who did the research last time (I honestly have no idea who it was) came to the conclusion that it was a Scottish name? I'm trying to make a connection somehow, but I can't think of anything. I hadn't really thought about it much before you mentioned it, but now I'm very curious. :-)
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OT: The Story
I highly recommend checking SurLaLune's page on "The Six Swans" out: http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/sixswans/index.html.
In particular, read the short-but-informative history it has on the story. As you'll see, the earliest record of this story is actually German, not Scottish or Welsh. Also, you might want to check out the international versions and variants list.
Hans Christian Andersen's heroine was named Eliza, btw. The Grimm variant "The Twelve Brothers" gives the youngest boy's name as Benjamin.
EDIT: Forgot I don't need to sign my posts anymore.
Miranda
"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of diseased mind" -- Terry Pratchett
I highly recommend checking SurLaLune's page on "The Six Swans" out: http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/sixswans/index.html.
In particular, read the short-but-informative history it has on the story. As you'll see, the earliest record of this story is actually German, not Scottish or Welsh. Also, you might want to check out the international versions and variants list.
Hans Christian Andersen's heroine was named Eliza, btw. The Grimm variant "The Twelve Brothers" gives the youngest boy's name as Benjamin.
EDIT: Forgot I don't need to sign my posts anymore.
"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of diseased mind" -- Terry Pratchett
This message was edited 2/5/2005, 2:15 AM
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Thanks, that was very interesting! I always think it's interesting how stories change, especially ballet stories (mostly because I get to be so familiar with some of them). I especially like the Nutcracker since most versions are so different and they're all different from the original story. I can tell this one is going to require some research too. Thanks for the information, that was great!
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You're welcome! :-)
Miranda
"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of diseased mind" -- Terry Pratchett
"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of diseased mind" -- Terry Pratchett
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It's a puzzle, isn't it! A Google search for Aluralynn picks up only two hits - one on a fantasy roleplaying site as a name for an elf (so in other words, made up :-D) and the other is on some woman's site as the middle name of her granddaughter (Codi Aluralynn *groan*). So I can't see how *any* research could have led to Aluralynn at all, let alone as a Scottish name.
Lynn has an obvious etymology - it's Welsh and means "lake". Tacking "lyn" onto the end of any random name is a common trend and has been going on forever (I call these "Somethinglyn" names).
Most of the tacky-innacurate baby name sites say that Alura is English and means Divine Counsellor, which is pure nonsense. The Old English for "divine" is godcund and for "counsellor" is runwita so there's clearly no etymological link there.
I can't see *any* way that someone could have constructed a Scottish etymology for Aluralynn! Perhaps the person who did the research did it using a cheap and nasty baby name book that just happened to claim that Aluralynn was Scottish.
Here's some nice Welsh names:
Aeronwen
Aeronwy
Alis
Angharad
Anwen
Arianrhod
Bethan
Blodwen
Bronwen
Carys
Catrin
Ceinwen (hard 'C')
Ceridwen (ditto)
Cerys (ditto)
Delyth
Dilwen
Dilys
Eiluned (ei is prn "eye")
Eilwen
Eirian
Eirlys
Eirwen
Elain
Elen
Enid
Lynn has an obvious etymology - it's Welsh and means "lake". Tacking "lyn" onto the end of any random name is a common trend and has been going on forever (I call these "Somethinglyn" names).
Most of the tacky-innacurate baby name sites say that Alura is English and means Divine Counsellor, which is pure nonsense. The Old English for "divine" is godcund and for "counsellor" is runwita so there's clearly no etymological link there.
I can't see *any* way that someone could have constructed a Scottish etymology for Aluralynn! Perhaps the person who did the research did it using a cheap and nasty baby name book that just happened to claim that Aluralynn was Scottish.
Here's some nice Welsh names:
Aeronwen
Aeronwy
Alis
Angharad
Anwen
Arianrhod
Bethan
Blodwen
Bronwen
Carys
Catrin
Ceinwen (hard 'C')
Ceridwen (ditto)
Cerys (ditto)
Delyth
Dilwen
Dilys
Eiluned (ei is prn "eye")
Eilwen
Eirian
Eirlys
Eirwen
Elain
Elen
Enid
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Thanks very much, especially for checking out Aluralynn. It's a great name for an elf I suppose. I like the idea of at least making her sisters have real names :-) And thank you for the list.
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