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Once upon a time, baby names were a simple affair — Jane, Elizabeth, Susan.
Eoforhild, Hrodohaidis... sigh. Once upon a time! The good old days! When everything was simple! @@
Then, for a time, with Sunshine and Autumn and Moon Unit, they got hippiefied.
(this Autumn is a man!)
(I know, it's no Moon Unit. Moon Bean, though!)
Now, with news spreading over Social Security Administration data showing that in 2012 alone, nearly 150 American girls were named Khaleesi — after a character’s royal title on “Game of Thrones” — the whole name game has become downright surreal.
omg. nearly 150? God that's so many! It's the same as the number of girls named Zoya and god knows they're EVERYWHERE.
Also if you want to see Surreal:
SURREAL BREAKFAST. Why are we even talking about Khaleesi when we could be talking about SURREAL BREAKFAST.
On Wednesday, the website Vox reported on its discovery of the "Game of Thrones" baby-naming trend. After crunching the numbers, it found that the name Khaleesi had become more popular than Betsy, according to SSA data.
...what ... a... shocker? Betsy? I think I've met one person named Betsy ever? Like... who names their kid Betsy, straight up? The Betsy I knew was named Elizabeth.
And crunching what numbers? Like, they searched the SSA data REALLY fast? I could also tell you Khaleesi is more popular than Scout, Ophelia, Betty, Avril, Darcy, Zelda, and wildly popular Heavenly. It takes two seconds. How much do you get paid to write a Yahoo Shine article because I need to get in on this.
On Wednesday, the website Vox reported that it was Extremely Late to the Party.
To wit: Katniss, from the "Hunger Games” trilogy, which was among the most popular names of 2013, according to the database Nameberry
...The most popular? Um? 146 babies born is not anywhere near "the most popular". It's like... not even in the top 1000.
(also are we citing both Laura Wattenberg AND Nameberry?)
ETA: OMG, I didn't even realize this was about Katniss suddenly. I'm still talking about Khaleesi. Katniss had 12 babies born. God I'm sorry it's obviously the most popular name in the country.
Then there’s Arya, also a “Game of Thrones” name, which seems to have inspired a few hundred baby names for both boys and girls
Are we like, 100% sure those boys named Arya are after the show? And not like, oh, I don't know, being given a legitimate Persian name that means Noble? No, they're definitely all white people who like Game of Thrones.
not to mention Bella, a name that doubled in use, from 2,780 uses to 5,104, within two years of the release of “Twilight.”
Yeah, Twilight did give Bella / Isabella a boost, but all -ella names were rising anyway and would have been popular with or without that series. SMeyer picked a name that she wanted to use for a daughter... you know. Like thousands of other people also wanted to use for a daughter. She didn't start anything.
But a name taken from a word that's not a name, from an imagined language? I can't think of a precedent.”
Speaking as a person who lives with a man who has seen every episode of GoT and still calls Tyrion "the short guy", some of those parents MAY have thought it was her name.
But no one was named Samantha before ‘Bewitched,’” Wattenberg says of the influential TV series, which ran from 1964 to 1972.
OH Laura Wattenberg, I've completely lost any respect I may have had for you. No. Sorry. You're dumb and you can go sit with Pam and Linda from now on.
But surprisingly, she adds, celebrity names are much less influential now than they were in the golden age of Hollywood — something she attributes to entertainment being “more diffused,” with so many aspects of pop culture to latch onto now.
eyyyy almost like sometimes celebrities follow trends and when they don't, the name seems "weird" more than "cool and different". Actually the article's mention of Kingston and Zuma is an excellent one. Yeah, Kingston got popular. -ton names were already popular and she introduced a new one. Zuma? Not really following the trends so much.
Other times we can actually forget a name’s origins, she notes, because it can take quite a while to take hold, depending on who the audience is. With the 1984 film “Splash,” for example, Daryl Hannah’s mermaid character impulsively named herself Madison — which got laughs from the audience — when she saw the Madison Avenue sign upon her NYC arrival. “It took years for the girls in those audiences to grow up and have kids,” Wattenberg explains, and so the influence was a long time coming. And she appears to be correct, according to SSA data, which shows that 42 girls were named Madison in 1984, then 298 a year later, 6,259 in 1994, and a whopping 20,612 in 2004.
Madison literally appeared on the chart for the first time the very next year after Splash came out. By the time 2004 came around, there were a bunch of people named Madison and no one knew about the mermaid movie. I bet you a job writing for Yahoo that if you asked any mother of a small Madison if she was a fan of Splash when she was young, she'd be like "???" The audience didn't "grow up and have kids" (I mean, they did, but you know. Wait, was Splash even a kid's movie?)
Which brings us to a warning: Prepare thyself to meet a slew of little girls named after Elsa from "Frozen" in about 20 years.
Uhhh or you could note that there are already a bunch now? It's more than 3 times more popular than Khaleesi.
"than you will go to jail for kidnap."
top: Helena
bottom: Silence
http://www.behindthename.com/pnl/59411
Eoforhild, Hrodohaidis... sigh. Once upon a time! The good old days! When everything was simple! @@
Then, for a time, with Sunshine and Autumn and Moon Unit, they got hippiefied.
(this Autumn is a man!) (I know, it's no Moon Unit. Moon Bean, though!)Now, with news spreading over Social Security Administration data showing that in 2012 alone, nearly 150 American girls were named Khaleesi — after a character’s royal title on “Game of Thrones” — the whole name game has become downright surreal.
omg. nearly 150? God that's so many! It's the same as the number of girls named Zoya and god knows they're EVERYWHERE.
Also if you want to see Surreal:
SURREAL BREAKFAST. Why are we even talking about Khaleesi when we could be talking about SURREAL BREAKFAST.
On Wednesday, the website Vox reported on its discovery of the "Game of Thrones" baby-naming trend. After crunching the numbers, it found that the name Khaleesi had become more popular than Betsy, according to SSA data.
...what ... a... shocker? Betsy? I think I've met one person named Betsy ever? Like... who names their kid Betsy, straight up? The Betsy I knew was named Elizabeth.
And crunching what numbers? Like, they searched the SSA data REALLY fast? I could also tell you Khaleesi is more popular than Scout, Ophelia, Betty, Avril, Darcy, Zelda, and wildly popular Heavenly. It takes two seconds. How much do you get paid to write a Yahoo Shine article because I need to get in on this.
On Wednesday, the website Vox reported that it was Extremely Late to the Party.
To wit: Katniss, from the "Hunger Games” trilogy, which was among the most popular names of 2013, according to the database Nameberry
...The most popular? Um? 146 babies born is not anywhere near "the most popular". It's like... not even in the top 1000.
(also are we citing both Laura Wattenberg AND Nameberry?)
ETA: OMG, I didn't even realize this was about Katniss suddenly. I'm still talking about Khaleesi. Katniss had 12 babies born. God I'm sorry it's obviously the most popular name in the country.
Then there’s Arya, also a “Game of Thrones” name, which seems to have inspired a few hundred baby names for both boys and girls
Are we like, 100% sure those boys named Arya are after the show? And not like, oh, I don't know, being given a legitimate Persian name that means Noble? No, they're definitely all white people who like Game of Thrones.
not to mention Bella, a name that doubled in use, from 2,780 uses to 5,104, within two years of the release of “Twilight.”
Yeah, Twilight did give Bella / Isabella a boost, but all -ella names were rising anyway and would have been popular with or without that series. SMeyer picked a name that she wanted to use for a daughter... you know. Like thousands of other people also wanted to use for a daughter. She didn't start anything.
But a name taken from a word that's not a name, from an imagined language? I can't think of a precedent.”
Speaking as a person who lives with a man who has seen every episode of GoT and still calls Tyrion "the short guy", some of those parents MAY have thought it was her name.
But no one was named Samantha before ‘Bewitched,’” Wattenberg says of the influential TV series, which ran from 1964 to 1972.
OH Laura Wattenberg, I've completely lost any respect I may have had for you. No. Sorry. You're dumb and you can go sit with Pam and Linda from now on.
But surprisingly, she adds, celebrity names are much less influential now than they were in the golden age of Hollywood — something she attributes to entertainment being “more diffused,” with so many aspects of pop culture to latch onto now.
eyyyy almost like sometimes celebrities follow trends and when they don't, the name seems "weird" more than "cool and different". Actually the article's mention of Kingston and Zuma is an excellent one. Yeah, Kingston got popular. -ton names were already popular and she introduced a new one. Zuma? Not really following the trends so much.
Other times we can actually forget a name’s origins, she notes, because it can take quite a while to take hold, depending on who the audience is. With the 1984 film “Splash,” for example, Daryl Hannah’s mermaid character impulsively named herself Madison — which got laughs from the audience — when she saw the Madison Avenue sign upon her NYC arrival. “It took years for the girls in those audiences to grow up and have kids,” Wattenberg explains, and so the influence was a long time coming. And she appears to be correct, according to SSA data, which shows that 42 girls were named Madison in 1984, then 298 a year later, 6,259 in 1994, and a whopping 20,612 in 2004.
Madison literally appeared on the chart for the first time the very next year after Splash came out. By the time 2004 came around, there were a bunch of people named Madison and no one knew about the mermaid movie. I bet you a job writing for Yahoo that if you asked any mother of a small Madison if she was a fan of Splash when she was young, she'd be like "???" The audience didn't "grow up and have kids" (I mean, they did, but you know. Wait, was Splash even a kid's movie?)
Which brings us to a warning: Prepare thyself to meet a slew of little girls named after Elsa from "Frozen" in about 20 years.
Uhhh or you could note that there are already a bunch now? It's more than 3 times more popular than Khaleesi.
top: Helena
bottom: Silence
http://www.behindthename.com/pnl/59411
This message was edited 4/12/2014, 5:56 PM
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nominated for best post on Opinions ever.
Wattenberg is such an idiot ... it's comic.
ENTERTAINMENT IS MORE DIFFUSED, MAN.
How much do you get paid to write a Yahoo Shine article because I need to get in on this.
No, we don't, because srsly could you sleep at night if you took money to put out this drivel??
Wattenberg is such an idiot ... it's comic.
ENTERTAINMENT IS MORE DIFFUSED, MAN.
How much do you get paid to write a Yahoo Shine article because I need to get in on this.
No, we don't, because srsly could you sleep at night if you took money to put out this drivel??
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No, we don't, because srsly could you sleep at night if you took money to put out this drivel??
Hey, I have a wedding to pay for. If I can do that by saying "After crunching some numbers, I discovered that the name Pharaoh for boys is more popular than Basil! Basil! Can you believe it! Everyone is such a fan of ancient Egypt!" I'm totally in.
Hey, I have a wedding to pay for. If I can do that by saying "After crunching some numbers, I discovered that the name Pharaoh for boys is more popular than Basil! Basil! Can you believe it! Everyone is such a fan of ancient Egypt!" I'm totally in.
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Nailed it.
A+ would LOL again.
A+ would LOL again.
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Brilliant.
If she took the care to look at every extended SSA list from 1880 to 2012 she would probably see that Samantha has made the list every single year. Just because a name isn't in the top 1000 doesn't mean it enjoys use. It just might ... Parthenia is another name that seems to have been used at least 5 times almost every year, but hasn't hit the top 1000 in well over 100 years. Also, I know names like Astrid and Mercy aren't in the top 1000 right now, but in 2012 they were pretty darn close ... less than five more Astrids and Mercys in that year and the two names would have hit the mark.
If she took the care to look at every extended SSA list from 1880 to 2012 she would probably see that Samantha has made the list every single year. Just because a name isn't in the top 1000 doesn't mean it enjoys use. It just might ... Parthenia is another name that seems to have been used at least 5 times almost every year, but hasn't hit the top 1000 in well over 100 years. Also, I know names like Astrid and Mercy aren't in the top 1000 right now, but in 2012 they were pretty darn close ... less than five more Astrids and Mercys in that year and the two names would have hit the mark.
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Love it!
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You should have your own site. Debunking name myths is what you do best.
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This is great.
Truly, an well-argued, funny, amazing post. Thanks!
Truly, an well-argued, funny, amazing post. Thanks!
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