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Help[Facts] No english equivalent
in reply to a message by Jackson
There is no english equivalent of the 'ch' sound in loch.
Yahalome Tal, who comes on this board proposed the easiest way to pronounce this I think.
Go to back a 'k' sound, and push air thro ur mouth, not vibrating the air (keeping it unvoiced) but instead of making a k sound in the middle of ur mouth, make it at the back of your throat.
It's closest relative phoneme is the French 'r'. I don't know the sound, but if you do, they are related.
The 'och' is harder to pronounce I think, so try 'ach' for starters, it is easier to say.
Like the Gaelic word 'Sassenach', meaning 'outsider', someonw who is not Scottish.
I hope this helps.
~ Silver sa Ryuchia
Yahalome Tal, who comes on this board proposed the easiest way to pronounce this I think.
Go to back a 'k' sound, and push air thro ur mouth, not vibrating the air (keeping it unvoiced) but instead of making a k sound in the middle of ur mouth, make it at the back of your throat.
It's closest relative phoneme is the French 'r'. I don't know the sound, but if you do, they are related.
The 'och' is harder to pronounce I think, so try 'ach' for starters, it is easier to say.
Like the Gaelic word 'Sassenach', meaning 'outsider', someonw who is not Scottish.
I hope this helps.
~ Silver sa Ryuchia
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Thanks, Silver!
Start to make a 'k', but freeze before you make a sound, then breathe out harshly.
Y :)
Start to make a 'k', but freeze before you make a sound, then breathe out harshly.
Y :)
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CH
yes, the French, German and Danish R comes very close indeed! It sounds like as if you've got something which is stuck in your throat and you want to get it up again... that sounds disgusting, I know - but the sound really isn't hard to say at all!
Satu
yes, the French, German and Danish R comes very close indeed! It sounds like as if you've got something which is stuck in your throat and you want to get it up again... that sounds disgusting, I know - but the sound really isn't hard to say at all!
Satu
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so more like "yoe hon"...rolling the h??? Sorry...I feel like a fool but it suppose its difficult through typing....especially if there really isnt an equivalent. Thanks!
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no... the rolled 'h' as u called it is actually a 'grunted/nasal r' that the french and germans and norse use etc etc, big long list
but ur close!
It is very hard to teach over the net
you know where to make the sound, thats a big step, but now try and shorten the sound, making it sound similar to a k or ch sound,
make sure to make it in the same spot, back of the throat
~ S!LVAH
no... the rolled 'h' as u called it is actually a 'grunted/nasal r' that the french and germans and norse use etc etc, big long list
but ur close!
It is very hard to teach over the net
you know where to make the sound, thats a big step, but now try and shorten the sound, making it sound similar to a k or ch sound,
make sure to make it in the same spot, back of the throat
~ S!LVAH
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... and no vowel to be heard between the CH and the N!
Satu
Satu
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I'm from Germany, so I should know how to pronounce the "ch".
As it's already said, there is no English equivalent pronounciation.
But for help, maybe you can use al hints given by the users before me and try to make your "ch" sound like an 'h' and an 'k' spoken together.
So your tongue does almost the same as if you would like to spell the 'k' like in "lock" and your throat tries to spell the soft 'h' "hi" or "house" --> Try Lock-house and try to let the 'k' mutate fluently into the 'h'
Another hint may be: If you speak a single 'ch' make it sound like you got snot in your throat and want to hoist (?) it up to your mouth[to spit it out]. Sounds ugly, but it is like it is.
Hope this helps. But remember to do your exercises alone, otherwise people will think your mad :)
As it's already said, there is no English equivalent pronounciation.
But for help, maybe you can use al hints given by the users before me and try to make your "ch" sound like an 'h' and an 'k' spoken together.
So your tongue does almost the same as if you would like to spell the 'k' like in "lock" and your throat tries to spell the soft 'h' "hi" or "house" --> Try Lock-house and try to let the 'k' mutate fluently into the 'h'
Another hint may be: If you speak a single 'ch' make it sound like you got snot in your throat and want to hoist (?) it up to your mouth[to spit it out]. Sounds ugly, but it is like it is.
Hope this helps. But remember to do your exercises alone, otherwise people will think your mad :)
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Hihi, die Erklärung mit dem K, das in ein H übergeht, ist supergut - muss ich mir merken!
Gruß von Satu
Gruß von Satu
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