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I figured I repost this as I recall it being fairly popular.
There was a thread on the Name Opinions Message Board a little while ago where two players went back and forth with their favorite names to eventually compromise on a name they would name a child in real life. It was quite popular, and I've been thinking about introducing it to this board. I've changed it up a bit in order to create actual families.
A relationship is all about compromise, so post your ideal family—amount of children plus favorite names you would use in real life—and prepare to compromise with another player.
In terms of number of children, either find a middle ground that pleases opposing preferences or maybe you're lucky and both "parents" want the same amount. Or the amount of children could be so unsolvable that your fictional relationship ends in a messy divorce! For gender, either choose or flip a coin (https://www.random.org/coins/?num=1&cur=60-usd.0010c)—heads for a boy, tails for a girl.
In real life, the parents would have to call their children by their given names for their whole lives, so both "parents" in this game must at least like the names. Be ruthless in vetoing your partners names, just as you would in real life. You post names, your partner keeps some, vetoes some, and proposes new names. You do the same thing, and it goes back and forth until you feel there are enough names to create your family. Create combos, and name those fictional children!
Have fun!
There was a thread on the Name Opinions Message Board a little while ago where two players went back and forth with their favorite names to eventually compromise on a name they would name a child in real life. It was quite popular, and I've been thinking about introducing it to this board. I've changed it up a bit in order to create actual families.
A relationship is all about compromise, so post your ideal family—amount of children plus favorite names you would use in real life—and prepare to compromise with another player.
In terms of number of children, either find a middle ground that pleases opposing preferences or maybe you're lucky and both "parents" want the same amount. Or the amount of children could be so unsolvable that your fictional relationship ends in a messy divorce! For gender, either choose or flip a coin (https://www.random.org/coins/?num=1&cur=60-usd.0010c)—heads for a boy, tails for a girl.
In real life, the parents would have to call their children by their given names for their whole lives, so both "parents" in this game must at least like the names. Be ruthless in vetoing your partners names, just as you would in real life. You post names, your partner keeps some, vetoes some, and proposes new names. You do the same thing, and it goes back and forth until you feel there are enough names to create your family. Create combos, and name those fictional children!
Have fun!
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(These are not actually my favorites but I don't know what those are, so I'll use these.)
2 children! The order is favorite to least favorite.
Girl:
River Sophia
Charlotte Leanne
Harlow Rose
Kenna Mae
Aubrey Nora
Boy:
Weston Eli
Connor Lennon
Julian Cassius
Carson Theon
Kenneth Ronan
ETA: Didn't know how to play. I added more names.
2 children! The order is favorite to least favorite.
Girl:
River Sophia
Charlotte Leanne
Harlow Rose
Kenna Mae
Aubrey Nora
Boy:
Weston Eli
Connor Lennon
Julian Cassius
Carson Theon
Kenneth Ronan
ETA: Didn't know how to play. I added more names.
This message was edited 6/26/2017, 6:58 AM
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I'd prefer 2-3 children.
Boys:
August
Estel
Patrick
Anthony
Jayson/Jason
Felix
Mikhail
Diarmad
Eoin
Theo
Mathias
Benjamin
Tristan
Lukas/Lucas
Nikolas/Nicholas/Nikolai
Girls:
Sinéad
Helena
Ruth
Rebekah
Lynn-- I would use this one as a middle name for a first daughter - it's my middle name, my mom's middle name, and her mom's first name.
Pearl
Tempest
Josephine
Catriona/Caitriona
Amelia
Magdalene/Magdalena
Keely
Niamh
Mia
Grace
Kathleen/Kathrine
Virginie
Victorie/Victoria
Siobhan
Kora
-My family is very Irish/Scottish, so I want to use names that reflect that.
Boys:
August
Estel
Patrick
Anthony
Jayson/Jason
Felix
Mikhail
Diarmad
Eoin
Theo
Mathias
Benjamin
Tristan
Lukas/Lucas
Nikolas/Nicholas/Nikolai
Girls:
Sinéad
Helena
Ruth
Rebekah
Lynn-- I would use this one as a middle name for a first daughter - it's my middle name, my mom's middle name, and her mom's first name.
Pearl
Tempest
Josephine
Catriona/Caitriona
Amelia
Magdalene/Magdalena
Keely
Niamh
Mia
Grace
Kathleen/Kathrine
Virginie
Victorie/Victoria
Siobhan
Kora
-My family is very Irish/Scottish, so I want to use names that reflect that.
This message was edited 6/25/2017, 10:46 AM
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I agree with 2 to 3 kids. In real life I'd probably go with 2, but I don't really have a presence for this fictional family.
From your list I like:
Boys:
August -I would be hesitant to use it as a first name because it seems feminine.
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias -I like both pronunciations I have heard. How do you pronounce it?
Benjamin
Girls:
Helena -It’s not my favorite though, so I would prefer it in the middle name slot.
Lynn -You have a really cute family tradition there. I’m definitely open to making it the middle name of a first daughter.
Tempest
Catriona -How do you pronounce it?
Amelia -It’s not my favorite though, so I would prefer it in the middle name slot.
Niamh
Kathleen
I don’t like:
Boys:
Estel -It seems feminine to me and is also fairly unknown, at least where I live.
Jason -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Felix -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Mikhail -I’m not fond of the pronunciation.
Theo -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Lucas -I’t’s too popular for me.
Nicholas -I just don’t like the sound.
Girls:
Ruth -I just don’t like the sound.
Rebekah -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
Pearl -It reminds me of an old lady I wasn’t fond of and I don’t like the sound in general.
Josephine -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Magdalene -It feels too religious for me.
Keely -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
Mia -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Grace -It feels too religious for me.
Virginie -I don’t like the meaning.
Siobhan -I don’t like the sound.
Kora -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
I’m on the fence about:
Boys:
Diarmad -I have no idea how to pronounce it. I lean towards disliking it because it’s so unfamiliar but I would be open to reconsidering if it’s a favorite of yours.
From your list I like:
Boys:
August -I would be hesitant to use it as a first name because it seems feminine.
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias -I like both pronunciations I have heard. How do you pronounce it?
Benjamin
Girls:
Helena -It’s not my favorite though, so I would prefer it in the middle name slot.
Lynn -You have a really cute family tradition there. I’m definitely open to making it the middle name of a first daughter.
Tempest
Catriona -How do you pronounce it?
Amelia -It’s not my favorite though, so I would prefer it in the middle name slot.
Niamh
Kathleen
I don’t like:
Boys:
Estel -It seems feminine to me and is also fairly unknown, at least where I live.
Jason -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Felix -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Mikhail -I’m not fond of the pronunciation.
Theo -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Lucas -I’t’s too popular for me.
Nicholas -I just don’t like the sound.
Girls:
Ruth -I just don’t like the sound.
Rebekah -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
Pearl -It reminds me of an old lady I wasn’t fond of and I don’t like the sound in general.
Josephine -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Magdalene -It feels too religious for me.
Keely -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
Mia -The name reminds me of too many unsavory acquaintances.
Grace -It feels too religious for me.
Virginie -I don’t like the meaning.
Siobhan -I don’t like the sound.
Kora -I don’t like the sound or spelling.
I’m on the fence about:
Boys:
Diarmad -I have no idea how to pronounce it. I lean towards disliking it because it’s so unfamiliar but I would be open to reconsidering if it’s a favorite of yours.
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For organization purposes, so far we agree on:
BOYS:
August - middle name
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias - I pronounce it muh-thigh-us.
Benjamin (nickname Ben?)
GIRLS:
Helena - middle name
Lynn - middle name first girl
Tempest
Catriona - I pronounce it cat-tree-oh-nah.
Amelia - middle name
Niamh
Kathleen
I understand your dislike of Estel, it’s a Lord of the Rings name. That’s fine by me! The rest of the boy’s I’m fine with not using! Ruth I have to insist upon as it’s the name of a favorite great-grandmother. The other girl’s ones I’m fine with not using.
As for your on-the-fences:
BOYS:
Diarmad - it’s Scottish, pronounces deer-mid. We don’t have to use it, though.
Eoin - we can just go with Owen if you’d prefer!
Tristan - this one isn’t a huge favorite, so we don’t have to use it.
GIRLS:
Sinéad - Irish, pronounced shin-ay-ehd (as best i can write it, anyway). This is a favorite of mine, so I’d prefer to use it.
Victoria - this one isn’t a huge favorite, so we don’t have to use it.
Combinations don’t matter much to me, as long as we don’t have too many of the same sounds. I especially hate two names ending in -a (for example, Victoria Amelia). Other than that, anything goes.
From your favorites, I like:
BOYS:
Thomas “Tam” - Thomas is fine, but I’m not sure if the nickname is a typo or if you meant to write Tam. I’d prefer this as a middle name, honestly.
Rafael
Evander
Nathaniel - I hate the nickname Neil for this one, though
Peregrine - only if we can call him Pippin. Another Lord of the Rings thing.
Jonah / Jonas - I prefer Jonas, but either work.
Edmund
Hugo
GIRLS:
Silvie
Maeve - just a question - how do you pronounce this one?
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda” - I prefer Tilda for a nickname
Minerva
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
Thea - I love Thea! It’s fine as a stand-alone name in my opinion
Viola
Claire - I see this more as a middle
Bethan
Lyra - do you pronounce it lee-rah or lie-rah?
Juniper - better as a middle, in my opinion
BOYS:
August - middle name
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias - I pronounce it muh-thigh-us.
Benjamin (nickname Ben?)
GIRLS:
Helena - middle name
Lynn - middle name first girl
Tempest
Catriona - I pronounce it cat-tree-oh-nah.
Amelia - middle name
Niamh
Kathleen
I understand your dislike of Estel, it’s a Lord of the Rings name. That’s fine by me! The rest of the boy’s I’m fine with not using! Ruth I have to insist upon as it’s the name of a favorite great-grandmother. The other girl’s ones I’m fine with not using.
As for your on-the-fences:
BOYS:
Diarmad - it’s Scottish, pronounces deer-mid. We don’t have to use it, though.
Eoin - we can just go with Owen if you’d prefer!
Tristan - this one isn’t a huge favorite, so we don’t have to use it.
GIRLS:
Sinéad - Irish, pronounced shin-ay-ehd (as best i can write it, anyway). This is a favorite of mine, so I’d prefer to use it.
Victoria - this one isn’t a huge favorite, so we don’t have to use it.
Combinations don’t matter much to me, as long as we don’t have too many of the same sounds. I especially hate two names ending in -a (for example, Victoria Amelia). Other than that, anything goes.
From your favorites, I like:
BOYS:
Thomas “Tam” - Thomas is fine, but I’m not sure if the nickname is a typo or if you meant to write Tam. I’d prefer this as a middle name, honestly.
Rafael
Evander
Nathaniel - I hate the nickname Neil for this one, though
Peregrine - only if we can call him Pippin. Another Lord of the Rings thing.
Jonah / Jonas - I prefer Jonas, but either work.
Edmund
Hugo
GIRLS:
Silvie
Maeve - just a question - how do you pronounce this one?
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda” - I prefer Tilda for a nickname
Minerva
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
Thea - I love Thea! It’s fine as a stand-alone name in my opinion
Viola
Claire - I see this more as a middle
Bethan
Lyra - do you pronounce it lee-rah or lie-rah?
Juniper - better as a middle, in my opinion
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Okay… Phew that’s a lot of names! So we have:
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Hugo
Thomas - middle name (I meant to write Tam, but I’m fine making it a middle name.)
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth - It’s cool you want to honor your great-grandmother.
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve - I pronounce it mayv
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
Lyra - I pronounce it lie-rah but I’m open to both pronunciations
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
Thea
Viola
Bethan
Lynn - middle name first girl
Amelia - middle name
Helena - middle name
Juniper - middle name
Claire - middle name
For your on-the-fences:
BOYS:
Isaac - I’m definitely fine not using it as it’s not one of my top names.
Gareth - I kind of see what you mean about the sound. I’m fine not using it.
GIRLS:
Rosemary - If you’d like to suggest other names you like that begin with Rose I tend to like those as well. Otherwise I’m not super attached to Rosemary so we don’t have to use it.
Cecily - I’m fine not using it.
Sibyl - I’m fine not using it; it’s not one of my top names.
From your new list I like:
BOYS:
Caspian - I love this one!
Rory - As a boy’s name I don’t think it needs to be a nickname.
GIRLS:
Nora - I prefer the spelling without an h.
River - I prefer it as a middle name but I’d be open to using it as a first name
Megan/Meghan/Maegan - I’d rather have it as a middle name, I don’t care about the spelling
Luna - It’s not my favorite but I do like it
Rory - As a girls name I think it needs a full name, maybe Aurora or Roberta?
Our new lists then become:
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Caspian
Rory
Hugo
Thomas - middle name
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Hugo
Thomas - middle name (I meant to write Tam, but I’m fine making it a middle name.)
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth - It’s cool you want to honor your great-grandmother.
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve - I pronounce it mayv
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
Lyra - I pronounce it lie-rah but I’m open to both pronunciations
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
Thea
Viola
Bethan
Lynn - middle name first girl
Amelia - middle name
Helena - middle name
Juniper - middle name
Claire - middle name
For your on-the-fences:
BOYS:
Isaac - I’m definitely fine not using it as it’s not one of my top names.
Gareth - I kind of see what you mean about the sound. I’m fine not using it.
GIRLS:
Rosemary - If you’d like to suggest other names you like that begin with Rose I tend to like those as well. Otherwise I’m not super attached to Rosemary so we don’t have to use it.
Cecily - I’m fine not using it.
Sibyl - I’m fine not using it; it’s not one of my top names.
From your new list I like:
BOYS:
Caspian - I love this one!
Rory - As a boy’s name I don’t think it needs to be a nickname.
GIRLS:
Nora - I prefer the spelling without an h.
River - I prefer it as a middle name but I’d be open to using it as a first name
Megan/Meghan/Maegan - I’d rather have it as a middle name, I don’t care about the spelling
Luna - It’s not my favorite but I do like it
Rory - As a girls name I think it needs a full name, maybe Aurora or Roberta?
Our new lists then become:
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Caspian
Rory
Hugo
Thomas - middle name
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
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I pronounce Maeve and Lyra the same way you do, so there’s no confusion there! For Rose names, my personal favorite is Rosalind. I also like Rosalie.
so far:
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Caspian
Rory
Hugo
Thomas - middle name
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
Lyra
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
“Rory” - I prefer Aurora is a full name
Luna
Thea
Nora
Viola
Bethan
Lynn - middle name first girl
Amelia - middle name
Helena - middle name
Juniper - middle name
Claire - middle name
River - middle name
Megan/Meghan/Maegan - middle name
I’m going to rank too. Also, it seems like we have more girls than boy names, so I guess we could go ahead and choose genders? From most to least favorite:
BOYS:
1 Eoin
2 Caspian
3 Mathias
4 Hugo
5 Patrick
6 Peregrine “Pippin”
7 Jonas
8 Evander
9 Rory
10 Diarmad
11 Rafael
12 Edmund
13 Benjamin “Ben”
14 Anthony
GIRLS:
1 Sinéad
2 Tempest
3 Catriona
4 Niamh
5 Kathleen
6 Lyra
7 Bethan
8 Maeve
9 Guinevere “Gwen:
10 Thea
11 Nora
12 Fiona
13 Luna
14 Viola
15 Matilda “Tilda”
16 Minerva
17 Lucy
18 Diana
19 Silvie
We could also narrow down to top 5 that we both like, maybe using the ranked lists?
so far:
BOYS:
Patrick
Anthony
Mathias
Benjamin “Ben”
Diarmad
Rafael
Evander
Peregrine “Pippin”
Jonas
Edmund
Eoin
Caspian
Rory
Hugo
Thomas - middle name
August - middle name
GIRLS:
Tempest
Catriona
Niamh
Kathleen
Ruth
Sinéad
Silvie
Maeve
Fiona
Lucy
Matilda “Tilda”
Minerva
Lyra
Diana
Guinevere “Gwen”
“Rory” - I prefer Aurora is a full name
Luna
Thea
Nora
Viola
Bethan
Lynn - middle name first girl
Amelia - middle name
Helena - middle name
Juniper - middle name
Claire - middle name
River - middle name
Megan/Meghan/Maegan - middle name
I’m going to rank too. Also, it seems like we have more girls than boy names, so I guess we could go ahead and choose genders? From most to least favorite:
BOYS:
1 Eoin
2 Caspian
3 Mathias
4 Hugo
5 Patrick
6 Peregrine “Pippin”
7 Jonas
8 Evander
9 Rory
10 Diarmad
11 Rafael
12 Edmund
13 Benjamin “Ben”
14 Anthony
GIRLS:
1 Sinéad
2 Tempest
3 Catriona
4 Niamh
5 Kathleen
6 Lyra
7 Bethan
8 Maeve
9 Guinevere “Gwen:
10 Thea
11 Nora
12 Fiona
13 Luna
14 Viola
15 Matilda “Tilda”
16 Minerva
17 Lucy
18 Diana
19 Silvie
We could also narrow down to top 5 that we both like, maybe using the ranked lists?
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I did some quick data gathering from our lists. For each gender, I set both lists next to each other, determined the difference in ratings and the cumulative total from the ratings. I then made lists of names that have the lowest average rating and the names we agreed on the rating for the most (that particular one isn’t particularly helpful, but I did it just for fun). Here goes!
BOYS:
1 Eoin 1 Rafael
2 Caspian 2 Caspian
3 Mathias 3 Peregrine “Pippin”
4 Hugo 4 Evander
5 Patrick 5 Edmund
6 Peregrine “Pippin” 6 Hugo
7 Jonas 7 Benjamin “Ben”
8 Evander 8 Mathias
9 Rory 9 Anthony
10 Diarmad 10 Jonas
11 Rafael 11 Patrick
12 Edmund 12 Eoin
13 Benjamin “Ben” 13 Diarmad
14 Anthony 14 Rory
Key: | Name | Difference In Rating [ Your Rating / My Rating ] Total of 2 Rankings |
Eoin 11 [1 / 12] 13
Caspian 0 [2 / 2] 4
Mathias 5 [3 / 8] 11
Hugo 2 [4 / 6] 10
Patrick 6 [5 / 11] 16
Peregrine “Pippin” 3 [6 / 3] 9
Jonas 3 [7 / 10] 17
Evander 4 [8 / 4] 12
Rory 5 [9 / 14] 23
Diarmad 3 [10 / 13] 23
Rafael 10 [11 / 1] 12
Edmund 7 [12 / 5] 17
Benjamin “Ben” 6 [13 / 7] 20
Anthony 5 [14 / 9] 23
Top 5 Overall Preferred: (Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian (2)
2. Peregrine “Pippin” (4.5)
3. Hugo (5)
4. Mathias (5.5)
5. Evander / Rafael (6)
Top 5 Consensus Picks: (Rating difference in brackets. Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian [0] (2)
2. Hugo [2] (5)
3. Jonas [3] (8.5) / Diarmad [3] (11.5)
4. Evander [4] (6)
5. Mathias [5] (5.5) / Rory [5] (11.5) / Anthony [5] (11.5)
GIRLS:
1 Sinéad 1 Silvie
2 Tempest 2 Thea
3 Catriona 3 Viola
4 Niamh 4 Maeve
5 Kathleen 5 Matilda “Tilda”
6 Lyra 6 Guinevere “Gwen”
7 Bethan 7 Fiona
8 Maeve 8 Catriona
BOYS:
1 Eoin 1 Rafael
2 Caspian 2 Caspian
3 Mathias 3 Peregrine “Pippin”
4 Hugo 4 Evander
5 Patrick 5 Edmund
6 Peregrine “Pippin” 6 Hugo
7 Jonas 7 Benjamin “Ben”
8 Evander 8 Mathias
9 Rory 9 Anthony
10 Diarmad 10 Jonas
11 Rafael 11 Patrick
12 Edmund 12 Eoin
13 Benjamin “Ben” 13 Diarmad
14 Anthony 14 Rory
Key: | Name | Difference In Rating [ Your Rating / My Rating ] Total of 2 Rankings |
Eoin 11 [1 / 12] 13
Caspian 0 [2 / 2] 4
Mathias 5 [3 / 8] 11
Hugo 2 [4 / 6] 10
Patrick 6 [5 / 11] 16
Peregrine “Pippin” 3 [6 / 3] 9
Jonas 3 [7 / 10] 17
Evander 4 [8 / 4] 12
Rory 5 [9 / 14] 23
Diarmad 3 [10 / 13] 23
Rafael 10 [11 / 1] 12
Edmund 7 [12 / 5] 17
Benjamin “Ben” 6 [13 / 7] 20
Anthony 5 [14 / 9] 23
Top 5 Overall Preferred: (Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian (2)
2. Peregrine “Pippin” (4.5)
3. Hugo (5)
4. Mathias (5.5)
5. Evander / Rafael (6)
Top 5 Consensus Picks: (Rating difference in brackets. Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian [0] (2)
2. Hugo [2] (5)
3. Jonas [3] (8.5) / Diarmad [3] (11.5)
4. Evander [4] (6)
5. Mathias [5] (5.5) / Rory [5] (11.5) / Anthony [5] (11.5)
GIRLS:
1 Sinéad 1 Silvie
2 Tempest 2 Thea
3 Catriona 3 Viola
4 Niamh 4 Maeve
5 Kathleen 5 Matilda “Tilda”
6 Lyra 6 Guinevere “Gwen”
7 Bethan 7 Fiona
8 Maeve 8 Catriona
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Wow, that’s a lot! I’m also happy with the top 5 overall preferred lists, we just have to pick which ones we’d most likely use. As for Ruth, I’d likely use it more as a middle name. I’m okay with two boys and one girl, as that way it might be easier to choose names. Or we could just go with two, one of each. Whichever you prefer!
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So I wasn’t quite sure what to do and I turned to statistics again. Using the positions of the overall preferred names on our original lists, I created new lists and found the rankings by average and my difference again. (You don’t actually need to read this. It’s just my thought process.)
Top 5 Overall Preferred:
1. Caspian
2. Peregrine “Pippin”
3. Hugo
4. Mathias
5. Evander / Rafael
1 Caspian 1 Rafael
2 Mathias 2 Caspian
3 Hugo 3 Peregrine “Pippin”
4 Peregrine “Pippin” 4 Evander
5 Evander 5 Hugo
6 Rafael 6 Mathias
Caspian 1 [1 / 2] 3
Mathias 4 [2 / 6] 8
Hugo 2 [3 / 5] 8
Peregrine “Pippin” 1 [4 / 3] 7
Evander 1 [5 / 4] 9
Rafael 5 [6 / 1] 7
Top Overall Preferred: (Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian (1.5)
2. Peregrine “Pippin” / Rafael (3.5)
3. Hugo / Mathias (4)
4. Evander (5.5)
Top Consensus Picks: (Rating difference in brackets.)
1. Caspian / Peregrine “Pippin” / Evander [1]
2. Hugo [2]
3. Mathias [4]
4. Rafael [5]
By discarding the least overall preferred (Evander) and the name with the least consensus (Rafael) I got the following list, in order of likely overall preference.
Caspian
Peregrine “Pippin”
Hugo
Mathias
Caspian’s definitely my favorite and, based on your original list, it’s your favorite of the names we’re working with. If we decide to go with more than 1 boy, I personally don’t think Caspian and Peregrine “Pippin” work well as brothers because they share similar sounds and have the same ending. I think Caspian would work well as a brother with both Hugo and Mathias, though I lean slightly more towards Hugo because they would share literary references.
Some combos:
Caspian Thomas
Caspian Evander
Caspian Jonas
Caspian Diarmad
Caspian Nicholas
Hugo August
Hugo Mathias
Hugo Rafael
Hugo Patrick
Hugo Rory
Mathias Edmund
Mathias Anthony
Mathias Evander
Mathias Eoin
Mathias Tristan
———
Top 5 Overall Preferred:
Top 5 Overall Preferred:
1. Caspian
2. Peregrine “Pippin”
3. Hugo
4. Mathias
5. Evander / Rafael
1 Caspian 1 Rafael
2 Mathias 2 Caspian
3 Hugo 3 Peregrine “Pippin”
4 Peregrine “Pippin” 4 Evander
5 Evander 5 Hugo
6 Rafael 6 Mathias
Caspian 1 [1 / 2] 3
Mathias 4 [2 / 6] 8
Hugo 2 [3 / 5] 8
Peregrine “Pippin” 1 [4 / 3] 7
Evander 1 [5 / 4] 9
Rafael 5 [6 / 1] 7
Top Overall Preferred: (Average rating in parentheses.)
1. Caspian (1.5)
2. Peregrine “Pippin” / Rafael (3.5)
3. Hugo / Mathias (4)
4. Evander (5.5)
Top Consensus Picks: (Rating difference in brackets.)
1. Caspian / Peregrine “Pippin” / Evander [1]
2. Hugo [2]
3. Mathias [4]
4. Rafael [5]
By discarding the least overall preferred (Evander) and the name with the least consensus (Rafael) I got the following list, in order of likely overall preference.
Caspian
Peregrine “Pippin”
Hugo
Mathias
Caspian’s definitely my favorite and, based on your original list, it’s your favorite of the names we’re working with. If we decide to go with more than 1 boy, I personally don’t think Caspian and Peregrine “Pippin” work well as brothers because they share similar sounds and have the same ending. I think Caspian would work well as a brother with both Hugo and Mathias, though I lean slightly more towards Hugo because they would share literary references.
Some combos:
Caspian Thomas
Caspian Evander
Caspian Jonas
Caspian Diarmad
Caspian Nicholas
Hugo August
Hugo Mathias
Hugo Rafael
Hugo Patrick
Hugo Rory
Mathias Edmund
Mathias Anthony
Mathias Evander
Mathias Eoin
Mathias Tristan
———
Top 5 Overall Preferred:
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I agree about Caspian and Hugo being a good sibset (also love the lit reference - I’m an english major).
Out of those combos, I like Caspian Thomas, Caspian Diarmad, Hugo August, and Hugo Rafael the most.
I also like the sound of Hugo Peregrine, for some reason, though I understand if you don’t!
I like Caspian, Hugo, and Catriona as sibling names, but that doesn’t both me as much as you. I personally would really love to use Catriona, so if you’d rather do just one child of each gender, that’s fine by me.
For combos, I like Catriona Lynn, Catriona Ruth, and Maeve Lynn.
I also love the idea of more than one middle name (I know, I’m crazy) and I’m really loving the sound of Maeve Catriona Lynn. But again, that’s just me!
I don't think Caspian and Catriona are very similar, in fact the only thing the share, in my opinion, are a first letter and a general "feel" of mystery (I love names that sound like the walked out of a fairytale).
I like Caspian, Hugo, and Maeve; Caspian and Catriona; and Caspian and Maeve the best out of those ideas. But as I said, I also really like Caspian, Hugo, and Catriona.
Out of those combos, I like Caspian Thomas, Caspian Diarmad, Hugo August, and Hugo Rafael the most.
I also like the sound of Hugo Peregrine, for some reason, though I understand if you don’t!
I like Caspian, Hugo, and Catriona as sibling names, but that doesn’t both me as much as you. I personally would really love to use Catriona, so if you’d rather do just one child of each gender, that’s fine by me.
For combos, I like Catriona Lynn, Catriona Ruth, and Maeve Lynn.
I also love the idea of more than one middle name (I know, I’m crazy) and I’m really loving the sound of Maeve Catriona Lynn. But again, that’s just me!
I don't think Caspian and Catriona are very similar, in fact the only thing the share, in my opinion, are a first letter and a general "feel" of mystery (I love names that sound like the walked out of a fairytale).
I like Caspian, Hugo, and Maeve; Caspian and Catriona; and Caspian and Maeve the best out of those ideas. But as I said, I also really like Caspian, Hugo, and Catriona.
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Since you seem to really want to use Catriona, I see two options here.
1. We could just name 2, Caspian and Catriona. Caspian Thomas and Catriona Lynn would probably be my favorite match, but I like Caspian Diarmad and Catriona Lynn as well.
OR
2. We could use your idea of two middle names and have Caspian, Hugo, and Maeve. I love the sound of Maeve Catriona Lynn and that would be a nice way to include Catriona while not having a sibling-set that, in my mind, clashes (so sorry about that, but it really would irk me). I feel like if we use two middle names for one child we should probably use two middle names for all three (though that's really open for negotiation) so I thought Caspian Diarmad Thomas and Hugo Peregrine August might not be too bad. If you have any more ideas or thoughts on this I'd love to hear them.
Do you prefer either of those or have another idea?
1. We could just name 2, Caspian and Catriona. Caspian Thomas and Catriona Lynn would probably be my favorite match, but I like Caspian Diarmad and Catriona Lynn as well.
OR
2. We could use your idea of two middle names and have Caspian, Hugo, and Maeve. I love the sound of Maeve Catriona Lynn and that would be a nice way to include Catriona while not having a sibling-set that, in my mind, clashes (so sorry about that, but it really would irk me). I feel like if we use two middle names for one child we should probably use two middle names for all three (though that's really open for negotiation) so I thought Caspian Diarmad Thomas and Hugo Peregrine August might not be too bad. If you have any more ideas or thoughts on this I'd love to hear them.
Do you prefer either of those or have another idea?
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I understand that it irks you! We can definitely use the second option (and I agree about using two middles for all three). TBH, I really love all of those combos!
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Maeve, Caspian, and Hugo!
That's great then! So we have Maeve, Caspian, and Hugo: Maeve Catriona Lynn, Caspian Diarmad Thomas, and Hugo Peregrine August. Amazing sibling set! Thanks for playing with me!
That's great then! So we have Maeve, Caspian, and Hugo: Maeve Catriona Lynn, Caspian Diarmad Thomas, and Hugo Peregrine August. Amazing sibling set! Thanks for playing with me!
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Yay! This has been a lot of fun! You're welcome, and thank you for playing with me! I think we came up with some great names.
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Number of kids: Maybe 5 ?
Boys:
Theodor / Theodore
Alexander
William
Sebastian
August
Oliver
Elliot
Elian
Jonathan
Kasper
Vincent
Maximilian
Alfred
Zacharias
Girls:
Alice
Agnes
Emmeline
Leonora
Matilda
Emilia
Amelia
Klara
Ellen
Elina
Isabelle
Louisa
Melina
Sophia / Sofia
Boys:
Theodor / Theodore
Alexander
William
Sebastian
August
Oliver
Elliot
Elian
Jonathan
Kasper
Vincent
Maximilian
Alfred
Zacharias
Girls:
Alice
Agnes
Emmeline
Leonora
Matilda
Emilia
Amelia
Klara
Ellen
Elina
Isabelle
Louisa
Melina
Sophia / Sofia
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5-ok
I agree with
Elian Alexander
Jonathan
Maximilian
Oliver Vincent
Sebastian
Amelia
Elina Alice
Emilia Isabelle
Melina Klara
Louisa Sophie/Sofie
I don't like
Alfred
August
Elliot
Kasper
Theodor/Theodore
William
Zacharias
Agnes
Ellen
Emmeline
Leonora
Matilda
For rounding off I would suggest
Elian Alexander
Jonathan Michael
Maximilian Leon
Oliver Vincent
Sebastian Philippe
Amelia Julianne
Elina Adelais
Emilia Isabelle
Melina Claire
Louisa Sophie/Sofie
I agree with
Elian Alexander
Jonathan
Maximilian
Oliver Vincent
Sebastian
Amelia
Elina Alice
Emilia Isabelle
Melina Klara
Louisa Sophie/Sofie
I don't like
Alfred
August
Elliot
Kasper
Theodor/Theodore
William
Zacharias
Agnes
Ellen
Emmeline
Leonora
Matilda
For rounding off I would suggest
Elian Alexander
Jonathan Michael
Maximilian Leon
Oliver Vincent
Sebastian Philippe
Amelia Julianne
Elina Adelais
Emilia Isabelle
Melina Claire
Louisa Sophie/Sofie
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I'm happy with Elian Alexander, Oliver Vincent and Emilia Isabelle, but I don't really like the other combos.
From your suggestions I like Leon, but I prefer Leo or Leopold. Claire is alright as well, but prefer Clara/Klara. I dislike Julianne, but I'm fine with Julia, Juliet and possibly Julie. And I wouldn't use both Amelia and Emilia.
Elian Alexander
Oliver Vincent
Emilia Isabelle
What about these:
Sebastian Arthur
Alice Melina
From your suggestions I like Leon, but I prefer Leo or Leopold. Claire is alright as well, but prefer Clara/Klara. I dislike Julianne, but I'm fine with Julia, Juliet and possibly Julie. And I wouldn't use both Amelia and Emilia.
Elian Alexander
Oliver Vincent
Emilia Isabelle
What about these:
Sebastian Arthur
Alice Melina
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Number of children: at least 6
Girl names (10)
✽ Annalise
✽ Athena
✽ Catherine
✽ Claude
✽ Clementine
✽ Elizabeth
✽ Kenna
✽ Lola
✽ Penelope
✽ Sybil
Boy names (10)
✽ Addison
✽ Ashley
✽ Charles
✽ Darius
✽ Felix
✽ Francis
✽ Isaac
✽ Julian
✽ Matteo
✽ William
(I'm going to start with 10 names for each number and as names get veto'd I'll put in new names to replace them)
Girl names (10)
✽ Annalise
✽ Athena
✽ Catherine
✽ Claude
✽ Clementine
✽ Elizabeth
✽ Kenna
✽ Lola
✽ Penelope
✽ Sybil
Boy names (10)
✽ Addison
✽ Ashley
✽ Charles
✽ Darius
✽ Felix
✽ Francis
✽ Isaac
✽ Julian
✽ Matteo
✽ William
(I'm going to start with 10 names for each number and as names get veto'd I'll put in new names to replace them)
This message was edited 6/25/2017, 1:55 AM
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Favorites list:
Annalise
Catherine
Elizabeth
Lola
Penelope
Darius
Felix
Isaac
Julian
Matteo
William
Middle name only:
Athena
Charles
Francis
Nickname only:
Kenna – how about the full name, Makenna?
Veto list:
Claude – especially not for a girl; how about Claudia?
Clementine – too old-fashioned
Sybil – sounds too much like “symbol”
Addison – I only like this for a girl
Ashley – again, only like it on girls
Annalise
Catherine
Elizabeth
Lola
Penelope
Darius
Felix
Isaac
Julian
Matteo
William
Middle name only:
Athena
Charles
Francis
Nickname only:
Kenna – how about the full name, Makenna?
Veto list:
Claude – especially not for a girl; how about Claudia?
Clementine – too old-fashioned
Sybil – sounds too much like “symbol”
Addison – I only like this for a girl
Ashley – again, only like it on girls
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Sorry, I hate Makenna and Addison & Ashley on girls! I'm not really into Mak- names. How about Adelaide or Adeline instead for a girl? I love the nn's Addie & Ada. I don't mind Claudia- perhaps as a middle?
1. Is there any names you like more than others on your favorites list?
2. Do you think Lola is too cutesy on its own? It's only recently joined my favorites.
3. Do you like Penny as a nn for Penelope?
4. What are some of your favorites?
I adore Elizabeth & Felix especially.
More names: Amara, Aviva, Clarice, Mary, Rosalie, Sloane (f), Elijah, Leonardo, Klaus, Brody, Carl.
1. Is there any names you like more than others on your favorites list?
2. Do you think Lola is too cutesy on its own? It's only recently joined my favorites.
3. Do you like Penny as a nn for Penelope?
4. What are some of your favorites?
I adore Elizabeth & Felix especially.
More names: Amara, Aviva, Clarice, Mary, Rosalie, Sloane (f), Elijah, Leonardo, Klaus, Brody, Carl.
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Ideal number: As this is not real life, as many as we can name! You can choose the number, I want something high.
Girl names I like:
Maia (I don't love Maya but it is a nice name)
Lily
Skye
Paige
Elmira
Heidi
Ruby
Emerald (a nickname like Emmie or Em)
Scarlett
Zara
Kate
Daisy
Boy names I like:
James
Oliver
Thomas
Brandon
Paul
Mark (I quite like it as a nickname for Marcus)
Henry
Jake (Once again, nickname for Jacob)
Noah
Yeah... I can't think of very many. Sorry!
Girl names I like:
Maia (I don't love Maya but it is a nice name)
Lily
Skye
Paige
Elmira
Heidi
Ruby
Emerald (a nickname like Emmie or Em)
Scarlett
Zara
Kate
Daisy
Boy names I like:
James
Oliver
Thomas
Brandon
Paul
Mark (I quite like it as a nickname for Marcus)
Henry
Jake (Once again, nickname for Jacob)
Noah
Yeah... I can't think of very many. Sorry!
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Haha, when I read your post my first thought was "is she British?" based on your taste, and your profile confirmed it!
FNs:
Zara
Kate
Marcus "Mark"
James
MN only:
Maia
Oliver
----
Some names I like:
Adelle
Alanis
Anna
Audrey
Camilla
Cara
Clara
Daphne
Eleanor
Elodie
Eve
Freya
"Gwen"
Helena
Ivy
Layla
Leonie
Liliana
Lucina
Lydia
Maeve
Margot
Melanie
Mina
Mira
Miriam
Misty
Naomi
Nessa
Odette
Olivia
Rosalind
Sarai
Sonia
Veronica
Adrian
Alaric
Anthony
Arthur
Ashley
Callum
Cassander
Cassidy
Cecil
Cedric
Desmond
Dominic
Dorian
Edmund
Elliott
Evander
George
Gideon
Hugo
Jeremy
Julian
Jude
Leif
Leo
Lysander
Milan
Miles
Nico
Nikolai
Orion
Peter
Raphael
Rhys
Robin
Rowan
Rufus
Scott
Silas
Simon
Stephen
Theo
Vincent
Wesley
Zephyr
ETA: How about 6-8 kids?
FNs:
Zara
Kate
Marcus "Mark"
James
MN only:
Maia
Oliver
----
Some names I like:
Adelle
Alanis
Anna
Audrey
Camilla
Cara
Clara
Daphne
Eleanor
Elodie
Eve
Freya
"Gwen"
Helena
Ivy
Layla
Leonie
Liliana
Lucina
Lydia
Maeve
Margot
Melanie
Mina
Mira
Miriam
Misty
Naomi
Nessa
Odette
Olivia
Rosalind
Sarai
Sonia
Veronica
Adrian
Alaric
Anthony
Arthur
Ashley
Callum
Cassander
Cassidy
Cecil
Cedric
Desmond
Dominic
Dorian
Edmund
Elliott
Evander
George
Gideon
Hugo
Jeremy
Julian
Jude
Leif
Leo
Lysander
Milan
Miles
Nico
Nikolai
Orion
Peter
Raphael
Rhys
Robin
Rowan
Rufus
Scott
Silas
Simon
Stephen
Theo
Vincent
Wesley
Zephyr
ETA: How about 6-8 kids?
This message was edited 6/25/2017, 1:07 AM
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8 kids sounds good to me! How about 4 girls and 4 boys? And how many middle names do you want for each one? I don't mind, but two would be nice.
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Clara
Eve
Ivy
Layla
Naomi
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
MN only we both like:
Maia
Freya
Oliver
Anthony
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Clara
Eve
Ivy
Layla
Naomi
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
MN only we both like:
Maia
Freya
Oliver
Anthony
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I'm not used to doing two MN combos but I am willing to try. :) 4 of each seems fine.
I'm gonna drop Clara for being too similar to Zara IMO. Do you like Clarice as a MN?
I thought it might be helpful to keep brainstorming since a lot of the names we like sound kind of similar to one another. I looked at your PNL on your profile and added some of your names there that I like to our combined list - marked in bold so that you can change/drop them if needed.
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Layla
Naomi
Diana
Alice
Anne (FN only; bores me as a MN)
Marie (FN only; bores me as a MN)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Additionally, here's a few more I like:
Eliza/Elise/Elisa
Celia
Celeste
Jill
Anastasia
Thalia/Talia
Bridget
Tabitha
Marina
Jack
Neal/Neil
Everett
Aaron
Isaac/Isaiah
Seth
Abraham/Abram
Kai
I'm gonna drop Clara for being too similar to Zara IMO. Do you like Clarice as a MN?
I thought it might be helpful to keep brainstorming since a lot of the names we like sound kind of similar to one another. I looked at your PNL on your profile and added some of your names there that I like to our combined list - marked in bold so that you can change/drop them if needed.
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Layla
Naomi
Diana
Alice
Anne (FN only; bores me as a MN)
Marie (FN only; bores me as a MN)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Additionally, here's a few more I like:
Eliza/Elise/Elisa
Celia
Celeste
Jill
Anastasia
Thalia/Talia
Bridget
Tabitha
Marina
Jack
Neal/Neil
Everett
Aaron
Isaac/Isaiah
Seth
Abraham/Abram
Kai
This message was edited 6/25/2017, 6:08 PM
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Yeah, lets do two MNs for each child!
Clarice as a MN - I don't mind!
Can we drop Alice because it is my name? Do you mind at all?
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Naomi
Layla
Diana
Marie (FN only)
Anne (maybe FN I would prefer MN, sorry)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only) "Bella"
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Jack
Aaron (MN only)
Sorry, I don't like very many of yours. Here are a few suggestions (some more of my favourite names):
Fawn
Willow
Skye
Faith
Autumn
Ruby
Hunter
Finn (nickname for Finley?)
Wolf
Charlie
Daniel
Do you want to start on combos soon?
Clarice as a MN - I don't mind!
Can we drop Alice because it is my name? Do you mind at all?
We both like:
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Naomi
Layla
Diana
Marie (FN only)
Anne (maybe FN I would prefer MN, sorry)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only) "Bella"
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Jack
Aaron (MN only)
Sorry, I don't like very many of yours. Here are a few suggestions (some more of my favourite names):
Fawn
Willow
Skye
Faith
Autumn
Ruby
Hunter
Finn (nickname for Finley?)
Wolf
Charlie
Daniel
Do you want to start on combos soon?
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I'm fine with dropping Alice for that reason. Also dropping Anne as we disagree on where to use it.
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Naomi
Layla
Diana
Marie (FN only)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only) "Bella"
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Clarice (MN only)
Fawn (MN only)
Skye (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Jack
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Aaron (MN only)
Wolf (MN only)
Daniel (MN only)
I'm good with shifting to talking more about combos.
I really dig Kate Arabella but am not sure what would be a good 2nd MN. Kate Arabella Eve, maybe. I'll edit in more ideas as I think of them
Zara
Kate
Eve
Ivy
Naomi
Layla
Diana
Marie (FN only)
Leah
Amelie
Elena (MN only)
Emily (MN only)
Sophie (MN only)
Arabella (MN only) "Bella"
Maia (MN only)
Freya (MN only)
Clarice (MN only)
Fawn (MN only)
Skye (MN only)
Marcus "Mark"
James
Arthur
Callum
Cedric
George
Hugo
Leo
Robin
Malcolm
William
Sebastian
Jack
Benjamin (MN only)
Joshua (MN only)
Jonathan (MN only)
Oliver (MN only)
Anthony (MN only)
Aaron (MN only)
Wolf (MN only)
Daniel (MN only)
I'm good with shifting to talking more about combos.
I really dig Kate Arabella but am not sure what would be a good 2nd MN. Kate Arabella Eve, maybe. I'll edit in more ideas as I think of them
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Double post
This message was edited 6/26/2017, 6:51 PM
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Some combo ideas (I expect you'll be way better at this than me haha):
Kate Arabella Eve
Kate Arabella Skye
Amelie Maia Clarice
Zara Amelie Fawn
Zara Ivy Elena
Ivy Amelie Freya
Marcus William Jack "Mark"
James Oliver Callum
Malcolm Arthur Wolf
Hugo James Robin
Leo Sebastian George?
Cedric James Oliver
Kate Arabella Eve
Kate Arabella Skye
Amelie Maia Clarice
Zara Amelie Fawn
Zara Ivy Elena
Ivy Amelie Freya
Marcus William Jack "Mark"
James Oliver Callum
Malcolm Arthur Wolf
Hugo James Robin
Leo Sebastian George?
Cedric James Oliver
This message was edited 6/26/2017, 8:43 PM
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