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in reply to a message by LMS
Jews are part of the entire naming population; they are not isolated. Do you have information about a sudden surge in the numbers of little Jewish Elizabeths, over and above the non-Jewish ones? If not, how did you arrive at your conclusion?
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I know they are a part of the entire naming population. I am not interested in the entire population, just the subpopulation.
I was reading from a newspaper from Israel and the top 10 names they were listing were Elizabeth and variants and that seemed very unusual. This article also stated the name is in use in Orthodox Jewish communities at an unusual rate compared with non-Jewish populations. So yes, I am more interested in the Jewish connection and not an American connection. I am referring to Jews anywhere in the world.
I was reading from a newspaper from Israel and the top 10 names they were listing were Elizabeth and variants and that seemed very unusual. This article also stated the name is in use in Orthodox Jewish communities at an unusual rate compared with non-Jewish populations. So yes, I am more interested in the Jewish connection and not an American connection. I am referring to Jews anywhere in the world.
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My guess: because Orthodox Jews aren't naming their daughters Olivia, Madison, or Harper.
If you look at the U.S. top 100 for 2017, Elizabeth is the 2nd Biblical name listed (Abigail #10, Elizabeth #13). So it's common even among non-Jews, even if it may not "feel" that way. it's a classic that's still heavily in use.
Orthodox Jews being a subset of the general population, it's not surprising that the 2nd most popular current Biblical girl's name is also popular with them.
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(Speaking as a Jewish person! Also, I can only respond to one post at a time, but in your earlier post listing a bunch of boys' names, most of those are Old Testament names. Clicking on their link says so. The Torah is just the first 5 books, but the Jewish Bible is the entire Old Testament, where many of these names are from.
Also, I am not Orthodox, but of my Jewish friends and peers in the U.S. it's EXTREMELY common to have the English version of the name as our actual name, and the Hebrew version is only used for religious purposes, such as being called to the Torah by that name. Most Jewish people in the U.S. would be named Jacob and then called Yakov only in religious ceremonies. So Elizabeth/Elisheva being the same is not unusual.)
If you look at the U.S. top 100 for 2017, Elizabeth is the 2nd Biblical name listed (Abigail #10, Elizabeth #13). So it's common even among non-Jews, even if it may not "feel" that way. it's a classic that's still heavily in use.
Orthodox Jews being a subset of the general population, it's not surprising that the 2nd most popular current Biblical girl's name is also popular with them.
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(Speaking as a Jewish person! Also, I can only respond to one post at a time, but in your earlier post listing a bunch of boys' names, most of those are Old Testament names. Clicking on their link says so. The Torah is just the first 5 books, but the Jewish Bible is the entire Old Testament, where many of these names are from.
Also, I am not Orthodox, but of my Jewish friends and peers in the U.S. it's EXTREMELY common to have the English version of the name as our actual name, and the Hebrew version is only used for religious purposes, such as being called to the Torah by that name. Most Jewish people in the U.S. would be named Jacob and then called Yakov only in religious ceremonies. So Elizabeth/Elisheva being the same is not unusual.)
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The list I posted was specifically names that occurred in both the Old and New Testament that would not typically be "strange" to see on someone who is Jewish. There are not many names that appear in both. Both the Old and New Testament have far more male characters than female ones, meaning that it is more likely to have male names to be in the list. It's merely coincidence that these are coming from the Torah and not from the rest of the Tanakh- there are not really any names that are in either Prophets or Writings that are also in the New Testament that you would commonly see on someone in Israel today.
While you are correct in that Orthodox Jews are naming their daughters Olivia, Madison, or Harper, Jews in general have tended to stay away from "Christian" names from the New Testament. There are not as many Jewish people named Mary, Martha, John, or James than are named Rachel, Esther, Samuel, or Isaac. This is also the case in Israel.
It is common in the US to have an English and a Hebrew name, but that doesn't happen much in Israel because Hebrew is already being spoken. People who are named Elizabeth will be writing it in Hebrew (substituting a taf for "th") or they will use Elisheva.
While you are correct in that Orthodox Jews are naming their daughters Olivia, Madison, or Harper, Jews in general have tended to stay away from "Christian" names from the New Testament. There are not as many Jewish people named Mary, Martha, John, or James than are named Rachel, Esther, Samuel, or Isaac. This is also the case in Israel.
It is common in the US to have an English and a Hebrew name, but that doesn't happen much in Israel because Hebrew is already being spoken. People who are named Elizabeth will be writing it in Hebrew (substituting a taf for "th") or they will use Elisheva.
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Sorry, I don’t see what post you are referring to about the boys names? Are you sure it’s not someone else’s post?
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That's very interesting. Was the article referencing usage of Elizabeth and variants as a current baby name only, or across all ages of the Jewish population? I also wonder what are considered variants of Elizabeth (i.e. Lisa, Isabel[la], etc.?) and how the list of the most popular names among Jews anywhere in the world was compiled.
Clearly Elizabeth is not a top 10 baby name among Jews in Israel, because we do have access to that information. Do you have a link to the article?
Clearly Elizabeth is not a top 10 baby name among Jews in Israel, because we do have access to that information. Do you have a link to the article?
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I went back to look for the article and honestly can't find it again. Isn't that the case?
I guess I'd rather trust the Israel listing of top names over this article.
I guess I'd rather trust the Israel listing of top names over this article.
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