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ArchivesVelva, a nice Greek name? Kassios please lend a hand!
in reply to a message by Velva
Let us assume Velva (as in Aqua Velva, the aftershave used by my beloved late grandfather) is related to velvet.
According to *Charlton T. Lewis, An Elementary Latin Dictionary* Velvet is related to the Latin villus "shaggy hair, nap of cloth, tuft of hair" and is probably a dialectal variant of vellus "fleece."
Could this be related to the Greek êñþâõëïò (krovylos) meaning "tuft of hair"? (Liddell-Scott)
Furthermore, could both vellus and krovylos be related to the Greek erion/eiros (wool)? Liddell-Scott does make a connection between vellus and eiros. It is pretty commonplace for the letter "r" in one Greek dialect to be adapted as an "l" in another as well as in Latin.
On a more mundane note, Velva i also a town in South Dakota.
According to *Charlton T. Lewis, An Elementary Latin Dictionary* Velvet is related to the Latin villus "shaggy hair, nap of cloth, tuft of hair" and is probably a dialectal variant of vellus "fleece."
Could this be related to the Greek êñþâõëïò (krovylos) meaning "tuft of hair"? (Liddell-Scott)
Furthermore, could both vellus and krovylos be related to the Greek erion/eiros (wool)? Liddell-Scott does make a connection between vellus and eiros. It is pretty commonplace for the letter "r" in one Greek dialect to be adapted as an "l" in another as well as in Latin.
On a more mundane note, Velva i also a town in South Dakota.
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Well Pavlos,
Actually both the Latin "vellus", "villus", (Goth. "vulla", Engl. "wool") derive from Ancient Greek (most likely Aeolic) "OYLOS"
(in Aeolic: "FOYLOS", pronounced: VOO-los) , "woolly, woollen".
(“Homeric Lexicon”, I.Pantazides, “Lexicon of the Ancient Greek language”, I. Stamatakos, also a brief entry in Liddell-Scott : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2375830, def. III ).
Now although the "KROVYLOS" etymology is obscure, it can be related to "OYLOS".
So there could be a possible relation between the above and "Velva"-"Velvet"-"Villus".
And another option:
What about a relation between "Velva" as in "Aqua Velva" and the Latin word “volva”: “a wrapper, covering, integument”, (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2351363) assuming that the perfume “covers” or “wraps” you with its scent?
"Until the day that an ancient inscription is found with the name "Alexandrovski" (or "Alexandrev" or "Alexandrov") written on it instead of "Alexander", true Macedonia and true Macedonians will remain Greek, as they always were."
Actually both the Latin "vellus", "villus", (Goth. "vulla", Engl. "wool") derive from Ancient Greek (most likely Aeolic) "OYLOS"
(in Aeolic: "FOYLOS", pronounced: VOO-los) , "woolly, woollen".
(“Homeric Lexicon”, I.Pantazides, “Lexicon of the Ancient Greek language”, I. Stamatakos, also a brief entry in Liddell-Scott : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2375830, def. III ).
Now although the "KROVYLOS" etymology is obscure, it can be related to "OYLOS".
So there could be a possible relation between the above and "Velva"-"Velvet"-"Villus".
And another option:
What about a relation between "Velva" as in "Aqua Velva" and the Latin word “volva”: “a wrapper, covering, integument”, (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2351363) assuming that the perfume “covers” or “wraps” you with its scent?
"Until the day that an ancient inscription is found with the name "Alexandrovski" (or "Alexandrev" or "Alexandrov") written on it instead of "Alexander", true Macedonia and true Macedonians will remain Greek, as they always were."
This message was edited 3/14/2006, 10:23 AM
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Aqua velva to the rescue
Aha! Thanks for the scholarly insight, Kassios! Oylos it is :)
As far as the volva explanation -- i.e. perfume "wrapping" scents -- may I just mention in passing that volva is also the root of vulva. I shall however refrain from pursuing this any further as this is a family-oriented site :P
Aha! Thanks for the scholarly insight, Kassios! Oylos it is :)
As far as the volva explanation -- i.e. perfume "wrapping" scents -- may I just mention in passing that volva is also the root of vulva. I shall however refrain from pursuing this any further as this is a family-oriented site :P
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Lighting one's bulb
...I have a feeling that the Greek "volvos" -- from which the word "bulb" developed -- be related to the Latin "volva"/"vulva"?
...I have a feeling that the Greek "volvos" -- from which the word "bulb" developed -- be related to the Latin "volva"/"vulva"?
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Partly right, Pavlos,
Actually the Latin "volva" - "vulva" is related to the Ancient Greek "BOLBA", while "bulb" derives from Ancient Greek "BOLBOS" (now "volvos", but then "bolbos").
"Until the day that an ancient inscription is found with the name "Alexandrovski" (or "Alexandrev" or "Alexandrov") written on it instead of "Alexander", true Macedonia and true Macedonians will remain Greek, as they always were."
Actually the Latin "volva" - "vulva" is related to the Ancient Greek "BOLBA", while "bulb" derives from Ancient Greek "BOLBOS" (now "volvos", but then "bolbos").
"Until the day that an ancient inscription is found with the name "Alexandrovski" (or "Alexandrev" or "Alexandrov") written on it instead of "Alexander", true Macedonia and true Macedonians will remain Greek, as they always were."
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