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in reply to a message by Yahalome
All three religions -- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam -- hold that that the Old Testament is a holy book and the "word of god".
Members of all three relgions (not excluding your own, Christianity) frequently violate the code of ethics which is presented by the god of the Old Testament.
To say to a Jew or to a Muslim: your god is merely an "idol", not only denies the god of the Old Testament (which is also the god of the Christians, Jesus notwithstanding) but is also an extremely offensive and bigoted statement to make.
Yahalome, my dear, Christians do not have the exclusive ear of god, despite what the head of the Southern Baptist Convention, Bailey Smith, stated in 1987: "God almighty doesn’t hear the prayer of a Jew." (Y'all haven't come too far in 16 years, have ya?)
Of course, I personally believe that you ALL (Muslims, Jews, Christians, whatever) are silly buggers with your religious superstitions, religious prejudices, and religious rivalries.
But the silliest -- the most *contemptible* -- ones of all are the ones who claim that god listens to them, alone.
-- Nanaea
Members of all three relgions (not excluding your own, Christianity) frequently violate the code of ethics which is presented by the god of the Old Testament.
To say to a Jew or to a Muslim: your god is merely an "idol", not only denies the god of the Old Testament (which is also the god of the Christians, Jesus notwithstanding) but is also an extremely offensive and bigoted statement to make.
Yahalome, my dear, Christians do not have the exclusive ear of god, despite what the head of the Southern Baptist Convention, Bailey Smith, stated in 1987: "God almighty doesn’t hear the prayer of a Jew." (Y'all haven't come too far in 16 years, have ya?)
Of course, I personally believe that you ALL (Muslims, Jews, Christians, whatever) are silly buggers with your religious superstitions, religious prejudices, and religious rivalries.
But the silliest -- the most *contemptible* -- ones of all are the ones who claim that god listens to them, alone.
-- Nanaea
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I agree wholeheartedly with Nanaea that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share the same God (call him Jehovah, Allah, or what have you) and the same lineage, founded by Abraham. Although I personally respect all religions, I find it futile to converse with anyone who believes he/she holds the whole truth and tries to convert/save me.
I personally was raised as a Christian Orthodox, but became quite disillusioned with monotheism. I find polytheism -- i.e. the pluralistic existence of forces in nature -- much closer to my philosophical and political outlook. I also feel that monotheism (i.e. the belief in only *one* truth) has lent a philosophical alibi to many murderers and tyrannical ideologies and has caused undue bloodshed throughout history.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the bickering children of the same one God. I personally hold Judaism above the other two religions for one only reason: it minds its own business and does not care about sharing its truth by converting other people.
I personally was raised as a Christian Orthodox, but became quite disillusioned with monotheism. I find polytheism -- i.e. the pluralistic existence of forces in nature -- much closer to my philosophical and political outlook. I also feel that monotheism (i.e. the belief in only *one* truth) has lent a philosophical alibi to many murderers and tyrannical ideologies and has caused undue bloodshed throughout history.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the bickering children of the same one God. I personally hold Judaism above the other two religions for one only reason: it minds its own business and does not care about sharing its truth by converting other people.
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Ditto, and...
I can only admire religious people (at least those who don't do stupid things in the name of religion) for their ability to sit around and calmly wait God/Allah/Jehovah to grant them happiness, luck, or a good job. Personally, I believe I am making the deity (or all three of them) a favor by sparing him/her/it from the need to write out my destiny for me.
I can only admire religious people (at least those who don't do stupid things in the name of religion) for their ability to sit around and calmly wait God/Allah/Jehovah to grant them happiness, luck, or a good job. Personally, I believe I am making the deity (or all three of them) a favor by sparing him/her/it from the need to write out my destiny for me.
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Well said, Pavlos. And I give you props for respecting other people's beliefs.
I, myself, am frequently not so respectful. In fact, I'll admit that I can be downright offensive when it comes to dealing with Christian proselytizers (otherwise known as "Christian botherers").
Yahalome, I know I said it's "offensive" for one to say to a Jew or to a Muslim that their god is merely an "idol" compared to the Christian god. I wish to amend that by saying that such a statement is not only offensive, but downright stupid.
Quite frankly, I've had enough of hearing how Mike C. needs to correct certain data-base entries because *you* take offense at reading Catholic doctrine. I've also had enough of your other little digs against people of other faiths. I ain't a champion for other religions, don't get me wrong, but I *am* getting pretty damn tired of the Christian nagging that's been going on around here lately.
From now on, it's jihad, bay-bee.
-- Nanaea
I, myself, am frequently not so respectful. In fact, I'll admit that I can be downright offensive when it comes to dealing with Christian proselytizers (otherwise known as "Christian botherers").
Yahalome, I know I said it's "offensive" for one to say to a Jew or to a Muslim that their god is merely an "idol" compared to the Christian god. I wish to amend that by saying that such a statement is not only offensive, but downright stupid.
Quite frankly, I've had enough of hearing how Mike C. needs to correct certain data-base entries because *you* take offense at reading Catholic doctrine. I've also had enough of your other little digs against people of other faiths. I ain't a champion for other religions, don't get me wrong, but I *am* getting pretty damn tired of the Christian nagging that's been going on around here lately.
From now on, it's jihad, bay-bee.
-- Nanaea
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Sorry, Nan, if I've been too off-topic too many times. I'll try to curtail it somewhat. It's just that what with misunderstandings, 'Christian cults', false Christians, and foolish/weak/just plain idiotic Christians, a lot of ppl have a really wierd conception of us, which drives me crazy. But you also must realize that it's part of my beliefs to try to win converts, and I personally thing it's the greatest thing in the world so of course I want to share.
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"Sharing"
There is nothing wrong with "sharing" one's beliefs. A lot of times we get into off-topic conversations here, and the information imparted can be both interesting and entertaining.
What is wrong is when a person with his or her own agenda chooses to seize upon every opportunity to push that agenda and "preach" to others. I'm not just talking about your denigrating non-Christian beliefs here in order to show Christianity in what you perceive to be a better light. It was neither necessary nor appropriate for you to jump in on a conversation between Phyllis and me back in December when Phyllis was playfully wishing me a "cursed" holiday season, and for you to pipe up with: "Hear the wise! The dif is blessed = kind, etc.; cursed = mean, hurting, etc. Good ppl bless, evil ppl curse. A CHRISTian."
That was childish of you, but I cut you slack back then in consideration of the fact that you're a sixteen-year-old and, basically, still a child. Although I will say that I find your apology here to be quite mature. I also otherwise enjoy your postings and find your comments on names to be interesting and intelligent.
You've mentioned a few times on this board that you find it personally embarrassing when Christians behave foolishly, idiotically, etc. In your reply to Rena on April 11th, you wrote: "I hate it when ppl like this give non-Christians a reason to laugh at us!!!!!!!"
Take care that you don't become "ppl like this".
-- Nanaea
There is nothing wrong with "sharing" one's beliefs. A lot of times we get into off-topic conversations here, and the information imparted can be both interesting and entertaining.
What is wrong is when a person with his or her own agenda chooses to seize upon every opportunity to push that agenda and "preach" to others. I'm not just talking about your denigrating non-Christian beliefs here in order to show Christianity in what you perceive to be a better light. It was neither necessary nor appropriate for you to jump in on a conversation between Phyllis and me back in December when Phyllis was playfully wishing me a "cursed" holiday season, and for you to pipe up with: "Hear the wise! The dif is blessed = kind, etc.; cursed = mean, hurting, etc. Good ppl bless, evil ppl curse. A CHRISTian."
That was childish of you, but I cut you slack back then in consideration of the fact that you're a sixteen-year-old and, basically, still a child. Although I will say that I find your apology here to be quite mature. I also otherwise enjoy your postings and find your comments on names to be interesting and intelligent.
You've mentioned a few times on this board that you find it personally embarrassing when Christians behave foolishly, idiotically, etc. In your reply to Rena on April 11th, you wrote: "I hate it when ppl like this give non-Christians a reason to laugh at us!!!!!!!"
Take care that you don't become "ppl like this".
-- Nanaea
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Any organized religion is to spirituality what pornography is to love. I have nothing really against pornography, but I prefer the real thing :P
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The Name Behind
The name behind "organised religion" is "Glorinie Grandiose".
grandiose. adj. Characterized by feigned or affected grandeur; pompous.
-- Nanaea
The name behind "organised religion" is "Glorinie Grandiose".
grandiose. adj. Characterized by feigned or affected grandeur; pompous.
-- Nanaea
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