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1. India was then part of the British Empire in 1877. At that time, Queen Victoria was titled Empress of India. When she died in 1901, her son, Edward VII, became Emperor of India. This title continued until India became independant from the UK on 15 Aug 1947.
Someone could be calling Victoria Queen of India from a blending of her United Kingdom title and her Indian title. That's all that I can think of, but of course I could be wrong.
2. All names that come after the first given name and before the family name are called middle names. It's the person's choice what ones, if any, they use.
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Someone could be calling Victoria Queen of India from a blending of her United Kingdom title and her Indian title. That's all that I can think of, but of course I could be wrong.
2. All names that come after the first given name and before the family name are called middle names. It's the person's choice what ones, if any, they use.
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From Nov 1 1858 (when the East India Company sold its Indian possessions to the monarch) till the end of 1876 (after which she styled herself the Empress of India), Queen Victoria was the monarch of India and ruled through her viceroys. In this period, she made the then Calcutta the Royal capital (of course, it became the Imperial Capital later). So, I guess, in that period, she was the Queen of India (in addition to her other territorries).
I am not clear what the original poster was asking, though.
On the second point, I think what is called the middle name is culture dependent: I know of lots of examples of multiword first names and multiword last names where the middle ones are not considered middle names. Thus, I knew a Arifa Ali Khan with Ali not being the middle name, but just the first word of the last name.
I am not clear what the original poster was asking, though.
On the second point, I think what is called the middle name is culture dependent: I know of lots of examples of multiword first names and multiword last names where the middle ones are not considered middle names. Thus, I knew a Arifa Ali Khan with Ali not being the middle name, but just the first word of the last name.
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Thank you for the information.
Qe1. Is there an Indian name that means Queen of India? And I wonder why a Hindu would call someone not Hindu Queen of India? Maybe this is more of a linguistic question but, I did hear a very specific name called the lady I am speaking about, but I cannot remember what it was other than when I asked my friend with me what the people were calling her she said "They are calling her Queen of India".
Seems like I remember that the woman called "Mother Teresa" was called by by the people she served Queen or Mother of India and for good reason she literally did pour out her milk of human kindness in service to all the Indian people. This instance I spoke of happened quite recently and I do not think it had any reference to that queen of the British Isles.
Qe2. Does anyone know what the chain of command in a name's names are and what they are called? I know I read at least one Phd book on nomonology, and several articles and reports discussing name meanings and their histories and orgins that dealt in detail with the question. There is a word for it but I can only think of chain of command to describe the word. Name lines are much like writting sentences there is an order and place with its own title and rank and I'd like to know (again) what that is, I just cannot remember.
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Qe1. Is there an Indian name that means Queen of India? And I wonder why a Hindu would call someone not Hindu Queen of India? Maybe this is more of a linguistic question but, I did hear a very specific name called the lady I am speaking about, but I cannot remember what it was other than when I asked my friend with me what the people were calling her she said "They are calling her Queen of India".
Seems like I remember that the woman called "Mother Teresa" was called by by the people she served Queen or Mother of India and for good reason she literally did pour out her milk of human kindness in service to all the Indian people. This instance I spoke of happened quite recently and I do not think it had any reference to that queen of the British Isles.
Qe2. Does anyone know what the chain of command in a name's names are and what they are called? I know I read at least one Phd book on nomonology, and several articles and reports discussing name meanings and their histories and orgins that dealt in detail with the question. There is a word for it but I can only think of chain of command to describe the word. Name lines are much like writting sentences there is an order and place with its own title and rank and I'd like to know (again) what that is, I just cannot remember.
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I do not know whether there is an Indian name meaning Queen of India: in modern times many people use many things as names: apocryphally, someone named their daughter `nIl AkAshe ekTi tArA' which means `a [lone] star in the blue sky' in Bengali. Furthermore, India speaks a variety of languages, most of which belong to two language families. The constitution guarantees the freedom to use any one of twenty languages in most official settings, the number of mutually unintelligible dialects running into 100s, and I know very few of them.
Most religions have various extreme versions, but by and large, very few sects of Hinduism would think that the `Queen' has to be a Hindu. Moreover, Hinduism does not `define' most people who think of themselves as Hindu: religion may well form the source of their cultural and moral values, it certainly does not colour their rational views about the world. A queen is a secular title and not a religious one, so there is no perceived conflict according to most Hindus.
Also, India is not Hindu alone. There is a large 15% of others, most of whom are Muslims, but there are a large number of Parsees, not to mention the Jain, Buddhist, Jewish and Christian people. Also, the fraction would have been smaller if the British census did not force Indians to classify their religion into their predefined notions: larging forging Hindu and Muslim identities as a byproduct.
Finally, it is not a linguistic question. Hindus speak all the 100s of dialects, and they do have words for Queen, and a word for India.
Calling Mother Teresa, a very respected figure incidentally, as the Queen is something I am not familiar with, and feels very non-Indian to me: queen in most contexts connotes concepts of wealth, and maybe beauty, but not spirit. Her deep human empathy would be insulted by such an epithet: she was like a mother to many and her kindness much appreciated, her belief in only one right way of being in touch with the Supreme, and her evangelism, much less so.
Most religions have various extreme versions, but by and large, very few sects of Hinduism would think that the `Queen' has to be a Hindu. Moreover, Hinduism does not `define' most people who think of themselves as Hindu: religion may well form the source of their cultural and moral values, it certainly does not colour their rational views about the world. A queen is a secular title and not a religious one, so there is no perceived conflict according to most Hindus.
Also, India is not Hindu alone. There is a large 15% of others, most of whom are Muslims, but there are a large number of Parsees, not to mention the Jain, Buddhist, Jewish and Christian people. Also, the fraction would have been smaller if the British census did not force Indians to classify their religion into their predefined notions: larging forging Hindu and Muslim identities as a byproduct.
Finally, it is not a linguistic question. Hindus speak all the 100s of dialects, and they do have words for Queen, and a word for India.
Calling Mother Teresa, a very respected figure incidentally, as the Queen is something I am not familiar with, and feels very non-Indian to me: queen in most contexts connotes concepts of wealth, and maybe beauty, but not spirit. Her deep human empathy would be insulted by such an epithet: she was like a mother to many and her kindness much appreciated, her belief in only one right way of being in touch with the Supreme, and her evangelism, much less so.
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