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In french i noticed when pronouncing a lot of words with n in them, when a gutteral vowel came before a vary queer sound resulted
this is easiestly noted in the word 'un' with is like 'uhn' but without a hard n, more a soft n, made at the back of the mouth, rather then the front with the tongue.
This sounds just like ng' sound.
Just wanted to share that :)
~Silvah!
this is easiestly noted in the word 'un' with is like 'uhn' but without a hard n, more a soft n, made at the back of the mouth, rather then the front with the tongue.
This sounds just like ng' sound.
Just wanted to share that :)
~Silvah!
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Interesting! I have very little French contact, can only barely pronounce a few common words, and have never heard it spoken, so...! Bon jour! (How the...excuse me...do you pronounce "jour"? And good what? :D) Y :\
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lol! questions on q, x, wh, and w
ok ok,
Bonjour is one word. Bon = good, jour=day
i find it hard to say how to pronounce it but... 'bohnj jewr-neh" now the reason i put the n in bon as nj, is because it is not pronunced hard like in english, but near the back of the mouth, but not in the throat. This is a result from the vowels sound more slurred and less pronunced. This is coming up a lot in my phoneme difficulty.
Bonnuit or Bon nuit = good night
Bonsoir = good evening
Bonne journee = good journey (say it as a goodbye, like have a good day)
There is no real 'good afternoon' you could say Bon apres-midi... but no one does
Say Salut instead. It is more general and not as proper as Bonjour. It can also be used to say goodbye.
Au'revoir is the proper goodbye, technically meaning 'untill we see eachother again'
I love the french word Adieu - goodbye forever from 'to god' 'a dieu'
English should have a word for goodbye forever, we just steal the french word, lol
ok now for more questions
once again, i would like this opportunity to sound like a broken record and thank you for your help in this endevour
ok q and x, i dont see why we have these letters
i notice u keep them in ur phoentic list, i was curious as to why
x, itself is made of k+z, sekz for example (my apologies to anyone who found that offensive. its a good example!!!)
Usually x can be represented by one of the two letters, or both. I have yet to find a word that needs 'x'.
Ekz-celent, u get the idea
Next q, i find it's usually a k sound. Kwuilt. Do you agree, yes, no?
Next question is on w and wh.
What is the difference.
isnt wh sounds like 'what' just w+h
can u give me some examples
Lots of thankz
~Silvah
ok ok,
Bonjour is one word. Bon = good, jour=day
i find it hard to say how to pronounce it but... 'bohnj jewr-neh" now the reason i put the n in bon as nj, is because it is not pronunced hard like in english, but near the back of the mouth, but not in the throat. This is a result from the vowels sound more slurred and less pronunced. This is coming up a lot in my phoneme difficulty.
Bonnuit or Bon nuit = good night
Bonsoir = good evening
Bonne journee = good journey (say it as a goodbye, like have a good day)
There is no real 'good afternoon' you could say Bon apres-midi... but no one does
Say Salut instead. It is more general and not as proper as Bonjour. It can also be used to say goodbye.
Au'revoir is the proper goodbye, technically meaning 'untill we see eachother again'
I love the french word Adieu - goodbye forever from 'to god' 'a dieu'
English should have a word for goodbye forever, we just steal the french word, lol
ok now for more questions
once again, i would like this opportunity to sound like a broken record and thank you for your help in this endevour
ok q and x, i dont see why we have these letters
i notice u keep them in ur phoentic list, i was curious as to why
x, itself is made of k+z, sekz for example (my apologies to anyone who found that offensive. its a good example!!!)
Usually x can be represented by one of the two letters, or both. I have yet to find a word that needs 'x'.
Ekz-celent, u get the idea
Next q, i find it's usually a k sound. Kwuilt. Do you agree, yes, no?
Next question is on w and wh.
What is the difference.
isnt wh sounds like 'what' just w+h
can u give me some examples
Lots of thankz
~Silvah
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Bonjour is a strange word. My French teachers pronounced it 'bo-JEW-er' (second two slurred together to make an interesting e sound) with the 'n' in 'bon' nearly impossible to hear and a guttural thingydoo on the end. (French is not as pretty as it's cracked up to be.) In English, though, people just say "bone-JER" or something of that ilk. Going with 'salut' (sah-LOO, I think) is a good suggestion...
English also has 'sayonara'--we steal from multiple cultures. ;)
Silver: Also, 'q' is somethings a 'ch' sound. Still uneeded...
English also has 'sayonara'--we steal from multiple cultures. ;)
Silver: Also, 'q' is somethings a 'ch' sound. Still uneeded...
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> (French is not as pretty as it's cracked up to be.)
I kinda thought so, 'cause here 'they' say it's a beautiful language, and there 'they' say it's very nasal. From my limited experience, nasal languages are just strange, not pretty. Y ;)
I kinda thought so, 'cause here 'they' say it's a beautiful language, and there 'they' say it's very nasal. From my limited experience, nasal languages are just strange, not pretty. Y ;)
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> (French is not as pretty as it's cracked up to be.)
I kinda thought so, 'cause here 'they' say it's a beautiful language, and there 'they' say it's very nasal. From my limited experience, nasal languages are just strange, not pretty. Y ;)
I kinda thought so, 'cause here 'they' say it's a beautiful language, and there 'they' say it's very nasal. From my limited experience, nasal languages are just strange, not pretty. Y ;)
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That was supposed to read "someTIMES a ch sound." Bleh.
"There they" are correct. French is nasal and oozy. (Only mild amounts of offense intended to those of the Francophonish persuasion...)
"There they" are correct. French is nasal and oozy. (Only mild amounts of offense intended to those of the Francophonish persuasion...)
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Q and X are not needed. I've no idea why they're in the alphabet. However several languages have letters like that. Those two Spanish letters, ene and elle. The Hebrew letter Tsadi (tsah-dee) sound ts.
As for wh/w, I think instead of unvoiced/voiced, maybe these are whispered v. aloud. Some areas don't make a difference. Y :)
As for wh/w, I think instead of unvoiced/voiced, maybe these are whispered v. aloud. Some areas don't make a difference. Y :)
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opps! please ignore the 'neh' part in my attempt to pronounce, i was thinking of bonne journee...
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