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I'm out east on Long Island, but there have been government planes flying overhead again, the entire length of the island, patroling the airspace.
Andrea's in the Bronx, so she's okay.
We still don't know if it was another terrorist attack, or a mechanical failure which brought the plane down.
Thanks for thinking of us all.
-- Nanaea
Andrea's in the Bronx, so she's okay.
We still don't know if it was another terrorist attack, or a mechanical failure which brought the plane down.
Thanks for thinking of us all.
-- Nanaea
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Yeah I heard that an engine blew up and fell to the ground! I hope it was just a freak accident and not more terriost!
I hope everyone in Queens and NY(emotinally) are ok!
I hope everyone in Queens and NY(emotinally) are ok!
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Thanks, Gia. They're saying now that it wasn't terrorists. Still disturbing when you see the fighter planes going over your house.
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I heard early (for me) this morning (8:30 am CST) that an engine fell off and landed on a house.
When I got to school, a few "certified organic 100% bovine manufactured fertilizer" spreaders were saying that this was another terrorist attack, and that they (the spreaders) should be sent out with the various military Reserve units to counter this latest attack.
I wish that, before jumping to conclusions and breaking a few innocent necks, these anal appetures (I guess that's how one spells the word) would get ALL the facts. Ares has enough to deal with right now.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
When I got to school, a few "certified organic 100% bovine manufactured fertilizer" spreaders were saying that this was another terrorist attack, and that they (the spreaders) should be sent out with the various military Reserve units to counter this latest attack.
I wish that, before jumping to conclusions and breaking a few innocent necks, these anal appetures (I guess that's how one spells the word) would get ALL the facts. Ares has enough to deal with right now.
Phyllis (aka Sidhe Uaine or Gaia Euphoria)
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Not to spread any more bovine fertilizer, but perhaps we shouldn't accept EITHER the "accident" or "terrorist" theory until we get MORE of the facts (good chance we'll never get ALL; we rarely do in air crashes). Nevertheless, I'm a bit leery about a rush to the "it was an accident" conclusion, because the alternative is fairly plausible:
Consider the lowly Stinger missile. A portable, self-contained, passive infrared low-altitude anti-aircraft weapon capable of being fired from almost anywhere by a crew of 1-2 men. Afghanistan (and the Taliban) is crawling with them, courtesy of Uncle Sam, who donated them to the mujihaddin in the '80s to fight the Russians. They had a devastating impact on the Soviets' low-flying pretty-good Mi-24 "Hind" helo gunships (the kind you saw in "Rambo"), and scads of them remained in Pashtun hands after the Russian pullout in '89.
Stingers have had NO impact in the current Afghan conflict because we've been careful to keep our B-52s, B-2s, and FA-18s well above their 10,000-foot maximum ceiling. And because of them, we've not sent in our very effective low-altitude A-10 "Warthog" tank killers, which are jet-powered but slow and operate well below 10,000' for hunting purposes.
(Pity. The A-10s kicked Serbian ass in Kosovo, sending many T-55 tanks to the junkyard and spreading a few depleted uranium cannon rounds across the countryside for the joy that's in it.)
Now, American Airlines is not so savvy as General Tommy Franks. They don't expect to be shot at on a routine basis, even when taking off low, relatively slow and above a terrorist's Eden like the environs of Sheepshead Bay.
So picture an A-300 pulling up in a takeoff at maybe 300 mph, never exceeding 2,800 feet all the time it's airborne and suddenly/mysteriously developing an explosion in one of its GE "heat sources". Sure, nobody noticed a missile, but when you live or work that close to an airport, you don't even bother to glance up at planes after a while. All the eyewitness accounts I heard said they heard a "boom", THEN looked up at the plane.
So while I'm hoping desperately for a CONSIDERED finding of mechanical problems, I also think the "take-down" scenario has some credibility. We'll just have to see. All I know is, it's an even better time not to own airline stock...
My heartfelt sympathies to the Rockaway community and the families of all the dear souls on that plane.
- Da.
Consider the lowly Stinger missile. A portable, self-contained, passive infrared low-altitude anti-aircraft weapon capable of being fired from almost anywhere by a crew of 1-2 men. Afghanistan (and the Taliban) is crawling with them, courtesy of Uncle Sam, who donated them to the mujihaddin in the '80s to fight the Russians. They had a devastating impact on the Soviets' low-flying pretty-good Mi-24 "Hind" helo gunships (the kind you saw in "Rambo"), and scads of them remained in Pashtun hands after the Russian pullout in '89.
Stingers have had NO impact in the current Afghan conflict because we've been careful to keep our B-52s, B-2s, and FA-18s well above their 10,000-foot maximum ceiling. And because of them, we've not sent in our very effective low-altitude A-10 "Warthog" tank killers, which are jet-powered but slow and operate well below 10,000' for hunting purposes.
(Pity. The A-10s kicked Serbian ass in Kosovo, sending many T-55 tanks to the junkyard and spreading a few depleted uranium cannon rounds across the countryside for the joy that's in it.)
Now, American Airlines is not so savvy as General Tommy Franks. They don't expect to be shot at on a routine basis, even when taking off low, relatively slow and above a terrorist's Eden like the environs of Sheepshead Bay.
So picture an A-300 pulling up in a takeoff at maybe 300 mph, never exceeding 2,800 feet all the time it's airborne and suddenly/mysteriously developing an explosion in one of its GE "heat sources". Sure, nobody noticed a missile, but when you live or work that close to an airport, you don't even bother to glance up at planes after a while. All the eyewitness accounts I heard said they heard a "boom", THEN looked up at the plane.
So while I'm hoping desperately for a CONSIDERED finding of mechanical problems, I also think the "take-down" scenario has some credibility. We'll just have to see. All I know is, it's an even better time not to own airline stock...
My heartfelt sympathies to the Rockaway community and the families of all the dear souls on that plane.
- Da.
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I agree...
While I don't like jumping to conclusions, it's hard not to think that this crash is awful coincidental in relation to the 9-11 attack when it happens one month and one day after the first.
Regardless, I don't think that we're ever going to respond to an "accidental" crashing of an airplane the same way again.
While I don't like jumping to conclusions, it's hard not to think that this crash is awful coincidental in relation to the 9-11 attack when it happens one month and one day after the first.
Regardless, I don't think that we're ever going to respond to an "accidental" crashing of an airplane the same way again.
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That's what they say...
...happened to Flight 800 that went down in Long Island's Moriches Bay area in 1996. Some eyewitnesses (a few whom I personally know and also know to be pretty level-headed folks) who were out on their boats that day maintain they saw a streak of light or flame heading up from the bay *towards* the plane.
On the news front: The Taliban got their asses kicked out of Kabul yesterday! :)
-- Nanaea
...happened to Flight 800 that went down in Long Island's Moriches Bay area in 1996. Some eyewitnesses (a few whom I personally know and also know to be pretty level-headed folks) who were out on their boats that day maintain they saw a streak of light or flame heading up from the bay *towards* the plane.
On the news front: The Taliban got their asses kicked out of Kabul yesterday! :)
-- Nanaea
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LOL! Check your e-mail, Pav. I sent you some more names files yesterday.
-- Nanaea
-- Nanaea
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You ba a Full Metal marshall :)
"Serbian ass in Kosovo"...Hm...
I am at least glad that policy-makers in the US are beginning to be just a wee-bit critical about M. Albright's cerebrum-free strategy in Serbia. A policy thanks to which known Tabiban training camps now operate in Albania and Kosovo (let alone the abundant heroin traffic, courtesy of the "freedom-fighting" UCK).
"Serbian ass in Kosovo"...Hm...
I am at least glad that policy-makers in the US are beginning to be just a wee-bit critical about M. Albright's cerebrum-free strategy in Serbia. A policy thanks to which known Tabiban training camps now operate in Albania and Kosovo (let alone the abundant heroin traffic, courtesy of the "freedom-fighting" UCK).
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Well, in addition to the engine falling off, the entire plane *did* crash, and everyone on board was killed. Don't know how many people in those burning houses may have been killed. But I suppose it could have been much worse.
-- Nanaea
-- Nanaea
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