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Re: Trautlieb

by Andy ;—) (guest)

11/12/2004, 11:57 PM

The name is very, very rare in Germany.
Its two elements are:

TRAUT: originally Germanic *thruthi (power, sreength), later interpreted as "traut" (familiar, trusted)

LIEB: from Old High German "liob" (friendly, beloved); with Jewish names sometimes from Levi or Löb (O umlaut), "lion".

The HDV (Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch, W.Seibicke) only has TRAUTLIEBE (f.) and says it is a modern coinage. His only reference for LIEBTRAUD is from the 20th century.

Andy ;—)

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- Miss Claire +5

11/13/2004, 12:05 PM

Thank you!
It was the first name of one of my ancestors from the 16th century, in Germany. Actually, he was a nephew of (you may remember the name) Vergentlin. :D

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- Andy ;—) (guest) +4

11/13/2004, 12:11 PM

You're welcome!

If you tell me, when (about) your gggggrandfather was born (and maybe where), I'll pass it on to Dr. Seibicke; he'll be pleased with this reference.

Andy ;—)

- Miss Claire +3

11/13/2004, 12:24 PM

Good idea!
I don't have his precise dates, but his brother (Chief Rabbi Nathanael Luria) was born in 1375, and his father Yehiel in 1350 in Worms.
Trautlieb's Jewish name seems to be Yehudah, unless it's another brother.

- Oren (guest) +1

11/23/2004, 3:24 AM

The jewish name Yehuda may be a clue. The emblem of Yehuda tribe was a lion. Yehuda is often associated with a lion or lion's whelp (GUR ARYE YEHUDA). This comes from Jacob's blessing to Yehuda (Genesis 49:9)

This may suggest that the "lieb" may actually be related to "lion" rather than "friendly/beloved".

- Andy ;—) (guest)

11/23/2004, 4:04 AM

Good point, Oren!

- Andy ;—) (guest)

11/13/2004, 12:51 PM

Thanks!

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