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Winona
I don't know why I bother making polls anymore when I could just ask here and get more thoughtful responses lolIn your opinion, is Winona usable, or too tied to a certain celeb? I've never had a hard time separating the two but that's the feedback I get a lot: "I just think of Winona Ryder." What's your opinion on this?Thanks!

This message was edited 5/29/2015, 6:13 AM

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I don't think it should be too tied to her, anyway. It was an established name before she came on the scene and I hate to think of a celebrity making an established name unusable. It's not like it was a really unusual name that few people had ever heard of before the celebrity came along, such as Sigourney ala Sigourney Weaver. All it takes is for people to begin using it in appreciable numbers for it to stop being tied strongly to Ryder, and that will never happen while people shy away from it because of Ryder. So don't shy away from it! Although I personally don't like it.
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I've never knowingly seen Winona Ryder, though I am aware that she exists - mostly because I've always enjoyed the name Winona. I've never met anyone with the name, and never seen a reference where I live to anyone with it. So my associations are with the old lady in Hiawatha, and with a name that could shorten to Win(nie) without being Winifred.As for whether it's usable because of one actress ... why not? Look at all the Cameron people, and the rather older Marilyn people. Nobody even twitches.
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I kinda like Winona, it's different but it's a legit name. I don't think of Winona Ryder at all.
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I actually think more of a certain singer with this name than the actress. But neither has done much work in recent years for anyone to really associate the name with celebs.
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I adore Winona, and although I also adore Winona Ryder, I don't consider the name's association with the actress to be problematically close. What concerns me personally is the appropriative nature of bestowing a Native American name on a child who is not Native American. :(
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QuoteWhat concerns me personally is the appropriative nature of bestowing a Native American name on a child who is not Native American. :(
I agree with this, including the sad-face. I just didn't want to mention anything as I wasn't up for defending my views on appropriation like I was incited to the last time I mentioned it.

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No it's an important point and I'm glad you both brought it up. I totally agree. I have such torn feelings about cultural appropriation sometimes, but a white American child with a Native American name with no ties to Native American culture is pretty clearly appropriating.Sigh. :(
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Winona Ryder is white, and no one seems to have an issue with that, as far as I know.ETA: IMDB says she was named after the town where she was born. Huh. I never knew that.

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Do you think a white American child named Leilani is appropriating? or Ayodele? How about a non-white American child named Aviva, is that appropriating? What are the criteria? Is it just white non-native-American American, using Native American names, I guess?

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The point I always make is that as a white European that I can't decide what is and what isn't appropriation. The only way I, personally, would feel comfortable using names that originated in a culture outside of Europe would be if my partner was of that culture. Even having asked a Bangladeshi friend if she would find it offensive if I used the name Indira, to which she said she wouldn't, I still don't think I would ever feel comfortable using it unless my partner was Indian, despite it being a firm favourite. It's better to me to be safe than sorry.
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Ha, who knows? I certainly am not at liberty to say for any of those names, Winona included. If anyone has set criteria for cultural appropriation I'd like to hear it. That's a lot of the problem I have with the concept, it's a big old gray area.Honestly when it comes to naming, I've not thought about it much. Of course cultural appropriation in naming doesn't just apply to whites using aspects of Native American culture, but I'd guess it resonates most strongly with me (and many others) when it's one culture who clearly oppressed another for hundreds of years, only to use that culture fashionably later on. And since I didn't know anything about the Dakota and wasn't really planning to learn, I'd have this fall under the inappropriate category on my part.
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I think a name like Dakota or Cheyenne would be more problematic because it's taking a word for a whole culture which was never intended to be a name and making it one. I see Winona as much less problematic- it's a given name, and was always intended to be one. Just my two cents.
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I think of Winona Ryder. However, I still like the name, and I don't think that it's a bad association. In my experience people tend to become accustomed to names pretty easily even if they're uncommon or tied to someone famous.
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I think it's usable. Winona Ryder isn't as big as she used to be, so the kid's peers probably won't even know who she is. It's fine.
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It's usable IMO. Of course people say "I just think of Ryder" - it's because they have not been exposed to the name anywhere else. If they actually met another Winona in person, Ryder would cease to seem important at all, as they've never even met her!Other fairly "unique" celeb names that I wouldn't think were inseparable from the celebrity, if people actually used them: Charlize, Keanu, Denzel, Marlon ... they're all on my favorites, and not because I like the actors. I don't know why Winona didn't become a thing the way Ryder has - it mystifies me because Winona is a beautiful name and Ryder is just awful IMO. I would have thought that the rental truck company would be enough to kill any appeal Ryder had. If yellow truck rentals can't ruin a name, surely a middle aged actress with a slightly degenerate image can't (haha, I just noticed she is about six weeks younger than I am. I thought she was older).

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I think it's usable and beautiful. The Winona Ryder association is strong, but not too strong to deem the name unusable. It's my grandmother's middle name.
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Psht, Winona Ryder shouldn't get to hog such a great name all to herself. I don't have an issue separating Ryder and her given name, but I also don't have an issue with Winona Ryder, so either way I think it's just fine, very likeable. I might add it to my long list, actually. Hm.
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