Re: Joel, Kiko, Miko (girls)
in reply to a message by Ismene
You make a good point about the ending sound of Cheryl and Myrtle, etc. I wasn't hearing the ending of Joel as being recognizably similar to any feminine names, but it is.
Regarding your Ryan to Diane, Joel to Noelle analogy, despite the stress falling differently, the sound components of Ryan, for me, are far closer to that of Diane than is the sound of Joel to Noelle, the latter being very soft and feminine. I realize YMMV.
I get what you're saying about the only difference, for you, being that Joel isn't heard of in use for girls but, for me, for whatever reason, Joel still feels more overtly masculine and, while it doesn't scream it quite as loudly as Butch, for me, it's every bit as masculine as Arnold.
Regarding your Ryan to Diane, Joel to Noelle analogy, despite the stress falling differently, the sound components of Ryan, for me, are far closer to that of Diane than is the sound of Joel to Noelle, the latter being very soft and feminine. I realize YMMV.
I get what you're saying about the only difference, for you, being that Joel isn't heard of in use for girls but, for me, for whatever reason, Joel still feels more overtly masculine and, while it doesn't scream it quite as loudly as Butch, for me, it's every bit as masculine as Arnold.