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Actors David Alan Basche and his wife Alysia Reiner welcome a baby girl, daughter Livia Charles Basche
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I like it :-)
I rather like it and if the middle name is for honouring purposes then I'm personally glad that they didn't change it to a feminine version of the name.
Besides Livia is a nice feminine name so I think that makes up for Charles being masculine.
I rather like it and if the middle name is for honouring purposes then I'm personally glad that they didn't change it to a feminine version of the name.
Besides Livia is a nice feminine name so I think that makes up for Charles being masculine.
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I really like it. DH and I seriously considered using Thomas as a mn if we had a girl. Some of DH's ancestors had the last name of Thomas, and gave it to girls as mns. It's a family name on my side, too.
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ugh Charles on a girl? how about Charlotte, Charlene etc etc? Charles is HORRIBLE on a girl. and paired with such a feminine name like Livia it is just super weird. like Lily Jonathan or something like that.
I like Livia a lot. The problem is that people will always assume she was Olivia or Lydia (which will enter the top 100 soon if you ask me).
I like Livia a lot. The problem is that people will always assume she was Olivia or Lydia (which will enter the top 100 soon if you ask me).
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I think it's nice
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Charles? WTF?
Livia is absolutely lovely, but why Charles? Why? D:
Livia is absolutely lovely, but why Charles? Why? D:
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I don't think it's too bad
I'm against boy names being given to girls but not in the mn slot. A mn can be anything: surnames, opposite gender names, invented names, silly names, you name it (no pun intended). You can let your hair down with mns, as I see it.
I'm against boy names being given to girls but not in the mn slot. A mn can be anything: surnames, opposite gender names, invented names, silly names, you name it (no pun intended). You can let your hair down with mns, as I see it.
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Well, I disagree. But that's personal preference, I guess.
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Could be honoring; Charles is a surname as well as given name
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Doesn't make it any better on a girl.
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Not just for mafiosa: how much thought do any of you
who questioned "Charles on a girl?? OMG WTF??" ever put into your comments before you post? Or even after? Honestly. Sometimes I wonder why I post here. So many of y'all are so damn judgmental and nitpicky and purist, and most of you haven't even had your own children to name!
I did some looking -- not much, mind you, it took about 90 seconds -- and found this.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDA1F39F934A25756C0A9649C8B63
Alysia Reiner's late father's name was Charles. Is that a rational enough explanation for you name Nazis? Is it the crime of the century for her to name her baby -- of either sex -- after her belovèd late father? Seriously?
Y'all make me tired. And sad.
who questioned "Charles on a girl?? OMG WTF??" ever put into your comments before you post? Or even after? Honestly. Sometimes I wonder why I post here. So many of y'all are so damn judgmental and nitpicky and purist, and most of you haven't even had your own children to name!
I did some looking -- not much, mind you, it took about 90 seconds -- and found this.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDA1F39F934A25756C0A9649C8B63
Alysia Reiner's late father's name was Charles. Is that a rational enough explanation for you name Nazis? Is it the crime of the century for her to name her baby -- of either sex -- after her belovèd late father? Seriously?
Y'all make me tired. And sad.
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wtf
I don't like to get into these dramas these days, so I will make this brief.
How dare you state that people who disagree with you can only be saying that because they're thoughtless and inexperienced?
Judgemental much? Elitist much?
Do you really believe that all these people would come around to your point of view if they stopped and thought about it? Do you really dare to presume that you must be right and they must be wrong? Really?
I have put a great deal of thought into my response, and it still remains: Charles is a boys' name. Not a girls' name. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the time-honoured tradition of using the male or female alternative of a name to honour an opposite-sex namesake. And while I love my father dearly, there's no way on earth I'd saddle my daughter with Roger as a middle name.
As for your suggestion that only actual parents deserve to have an opinion: bullsh!t. If anything, we childless namesnerds are more objective because we're not caught up in the emotions of parenthood when we think about names.
Your opinion is your opinion. Trash-talking other peoples' thoughtfulness and the legitimacy of their opinions because they disagree with you is pathetic.
I don't like to get into these dramas these days, so I will make this brief.
How dare you state that people who disagree with you can only be saying that because they're thoughtless and inexperienced?
Judgemental much? Elitist much?
Do you really believe that all these people would come around to your point of view if they stopped and thought about it? Do you really dare to presume that you must be right and they must be wrong? Really?
I have put a great deal of thought into my response, and it still remains: Charles is a boys' name. Not a girls' name. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the time-honoured tradition of using the male or female alternative of a name to honour an opposite-sex namesake. And while I love my father dearly, there's no way on earth I'd saddle my daughter with Roger as a middle name.
As for your suggestion that only actual parents deserve to have an opinion: bullsh!t. If anything, we childless namesnerds are more objective because we're not caught up in the emotions of parenthood when we think about names.
Your opinion is your opinion. Trash-talking other peoples' thoughtfulness and the legitimacy of their opinions because they disagree with you is pathetic.
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lol @ Chrisell
Way to open fire. But hey, I don't like drama, so I'll keep this brief
My daughter's middle name is Claudia, for her great grandpa Claude.
- mirfak the drama queen, so caught up in the emotions of parenting that her opinion is, er, less objective than it should be
Way to open fire. But hey, I don't like drama, so I'll keep this brief
My daughter's middle name is Claudia, for her great grandpa Claude.
- mirfak the drama queen, so caught up in the emotions of parenting that her opinion is, er, less objective than it should be
This message was edited 12/12/2008, 12:58 AM
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Oh my god I'm so glad I'm leaving
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Please don't leave!
I like having you here :-)
I like having you here :-)
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Did you even read my other responses?
"Judgemental much? Elitist much?"
Pedantic much? And proud of it, I see. By the by, it's judgmental, teacher. No e.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgmental
And no, I'm not, or I'd start threads like this daily.
"How dare you..."
It was very, very easy. You're all just words in a little black box on my desk. Honestly, Chrisell. Like it takes daring. Such overheated bluster.
"...state that people who disagree with you can only be saying that because they're thoughtless and inexperienced?"
I stated no such thing. You may feel I implied it. I say I didn't. You do know the verb to state, don't you? English is your first language, I thought?
"Do you really believe that all these people would come around to your point of view if they stopped and thought about it?"
Didn't say that at all, and no, I don't think that. I don't even hope that. What I do hope is that people think about it at all, not think about it and then agree with me (though, yes, some might, and plenty wouldn't, and that's fine), and not just fly off with kneejerk reactions. Like this one of yours, for example.
"Do you really dare..."
Again, it didn't take daring.
"...to presume that you must be right and they must be wrong?"
Isn't that what every single one of us humans does every time we say what we think? I don't say things I think are wrong on purpose. Usually. When I do I believe that's called lying. Have I asked you yet if English is your first language?
"As for your suggestion that only actual parents deserve to have an opinion..."
Specifically said the opposite of that.
"If anything, we childless namesnerds are more objective because we're not caught up in the emotions of parenthood when we think about names."
"Judgemental much? Elitist much?"
Pedantic much? And proud of it, I see. By the by, it's judgmental, teacher. No e.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgmental
And no, I'm not, or I'd start threads like this daily.
"How dare you..."
It was very, very easy. You're all just words in a little black box on my desk. Honestly, Chrisell. Like it takes daring. Such overheated bluster.
"...state that people who disagree with you can only be saying that because they're thoughtless and inexperienced?"
I stated no such thing. You may feel I implied it. I say I didn't. You do know the verb to state, don't you? English is your first language, I thought?
"Do you really believe that all these people would come around to your point of view if they stopped and thought about it?"
Didn't say that at all, and no, I don't think that. I don't even hope that. What I do hope is that people think about it at all, not think about it and then agree with me (though, yes, some might, and plenty wouldn't, and that's fine), and not just fly off with kneejerk reactions. Like this one of yours, for example.
"Do you really dare..."
Again, it didn't take daring.
"...to presume that you must be right and they must be wrong?"
Isn't that what every single one of us humans does every time we say what we think? I don't say things I think are wrong on purpose. Usually. When I do I believe that's called lying. Have I asked you yet if English is your first language?
"As for your suggestion that only actual parents deserve to have an opinion..."
Specifically said the opposite of that.
"If anything, we childless namesnerds are more objective because we're not caught up in the emotions of parenthood when we think about names."
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Oh wow lol. Not even touching that. So much venom and denial . . . grow up!
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First off I am PUBLICLY BEGGING TIPPINS NOT TO LEAVE
Please please don't go! Your voice is too unique to be lost to this forum! I beg you!
Now then.
So much heat generated and I'm not sure anyone got my POINT, which was not that I give a rat's ass what anybody's single opinion is -- hate Charles-on-a-girl all you want. Like I care. I didn't respond here to advocate Charles-on-a-girl and I hope no one thought I did. Everyone here is plenty smart. Think! Dig a little deeper!
What I get tired of is INTOLERANCE. I am a dedicated member of this board for years now, I am not going anywhere, and I allow myself one rant for every 100,000 intolerant posts I read here. I don't think that's too much. This thread won that lottery, that's all. I could have answered a hundred threads this way just today, and I didn't because, yes, I do think about what I'm posting.
I was trying to provoke a bit of thought. As in, "Oh, she named her baby for her belovèd late father. Okay. That makes sense. At least her first name isn't John. Now I get it. I guess I can live with that." But NO. Some of y'all can't live with that. You just can't tolerate difference.
I suppose I'm guilty of hypocrisy too because I'm intolerant of intolerance. It gives me a rash, and I'll only itch in silence for so long before I gripe.
I was snarky, and I apologize to the board in general for being so. But I do not apologize for saying how wearisome it is to hear negative opinions time and time and time and time again, often from people who don't even bother to post things they do like! It's one thing to say "I like this, I don't like that," but it's egregious to say nothing but "I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, and that over there is stupid too." Jesus Christ that gets old! For clarification's sake, I recognize that mafiosa and brilliantblue etc do post likes as well as dislikes. Other posters never do, though. Again, this thread just happened to be the 100,000th, and since it's turned into a big hot thing I'm responding once more.
Please please don't go! Your voice is too unique to be lost to this forum! I beg you!
Now then.
So much heat generated and I'm not sure anyone got my POINT, which was not that I give a rat's ass what anybody's single opinion is -- hate Charles-on-a-girl all you want. Like I care. I didn't respond here to advocate Charles-on-a-girl and I hope no one thought I did. Everyone here is plenty smart. Think! Dig a little deeper!
What I get tired of is INTOLERANCE. I am a dedicated member of this board for years now, I am not going anywhere, and I allow myself one rant for every 100,000 intolerant posts I read here. I don't think that's too much. This thread won that lottery, that's all. I could have answered a hundred threads this way just today, and I didn't because, yes, I do think about what I'm posting.
I was trying to provoke a bit of thought. As in, "Oh, she named her baby for her belovèd late father. Okay. That makes sense. At least her first name isn't John. Now I get it. I guess I can live with that." But NO. Some of y'all can't live with that. You just can't tolerate difference.
I suppose I'm guilty of hypocrisy too because I'm intolerant of intolerance. It gives me a rash, and I'll only itch in silence for so long before I gripe.
I was snarky, and I apologize to the board in general for being so. But I do not apologize for saying how wearisome it is to hear negative opinions time and time and time and time again, often from people who don't even bother to post things they do like! It's one thing to say "I like this, I don't like that," but it's egregious to say nothing but "I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, and that over there is stupid too." Jesus Christ that gets old! For clarification's sake, I recognize that mafiosa and brilliantblue etc do post likes as well as dislikes. Other posters never do, though. Again, this thread just happened to be the 100,000th, and since it's turned into a big hot thing I'm responding once more.
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Miss Lillian (and Tippins, too, for that matter) has hit the nail on the head why I have been perfectly happy to pick up my toys and go elsewhere. I don't expect everyone to think that my taste is awesome, but I do expect everyone (and I don't think this is an unfair expectation in the slightest) to think about where I'm coming from when I say that I really like Adeline I Found A Reason. But I don't think the majority of people here bother to--and as I've indicated in the past, they bother still less when they're critiquing the tastes of a less established member or the tastes of someone not present to defend their choices.
Names are fun, you guys. There's so much that can be done with them. And if you want to sit in a little Henry-August-Ava-Marina box and content yourself there, you're welcome to--but at least resist the urge to insinuate that everyone else should be satisfied with Eleanor Violet just because you are.
This will (God willing) be my last post here for a good long while, and it's for reasons very similar to (and also beyond) what Tippins pointed out below. But give me a swan song, if you will, and that'll be "just because you don't like it doesn't mean my kid is doomed." Even if I name him/her Panos Arrow or Angeleta Paint Tomorrow Blue or Jenelope LaFred.
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Names are fun, you guys. There's so much that can be done with them. And if you want to sit in a little Henry-August-Ava-Marina box and content yourself there, you're welcome to--but at least resist the urge to insinuate that everyone else should be satisfied with Eleanor Violet just because you are.
This will (God willing) be my last post here for a good long while, and it's for reasons very similar to (and also beyond) what Tippins pointed out below. But give me a swan song, if you will, and that'll be "just because you don't like it doesn't mean my kid is doomed." Even if I name him/her Panos Arrow or Angeleta Paint Tomorrow Blue or Jenelope LaFred.
Array
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In defense of predictability... (but also wholeheartedly in favor of novelty)
To be fair, I think some of the people whose taste does fall decidedly outside of the Henry-August-Ava-Marina box don't really understand what compels anyone to work exclusively or near-exclusively from inside of it. Some people might just find themselves unable to move out of that kind of comfort zone or can't bring themselves to be daring. But others might find themselves unable to break out of that box because naming is a compromise, and can you really expect your I-like-Nathan-and-Jessica partner to go along with Ignatius Zimri? Very probably not, so why waste your time with it? As someone whose boyfriend has mentioned that he likes names like Nathan and Jessica (and other stuff that's "normal"), I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that I can get away with the likes of Atticus Tarquin or whatever.
This doesn't mean that I'm a fan of predictability, however. In fact, I feel like I'm being too predictable lately, and it's partly because I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with my own 'filler' middle names, like Violet, Juliet, and Delphine. I can trust them to work with most any name, but when I use them with most any name (and see them around the boards all the time), they get old. This is why we need more users who will suggest something novel - because personally, I don't want to get in a name rut, and who doesn't want to see a Euphemia Agnes Severina or what-have-you among all the Ava Graces, Eleanor Violets, and Rosemary Catherines?
I really wish posters with more unique tastes wouldn't go - they're the best part of this board. I don't want to let myself get talked into Maura Violet or Quentin Nathaniel if I could have Maura Guinevere or Quentin Emrys (or something even more adventurous than those) instead, you know?
To be fair, I think some of the people whose taste does fall decidedly outside of the Henry-August-Ava-Marina box don't really understand what compels anyone to work exclusively or near-exclusively from inside of it. Some people might just find themselves unable to move out of that kind of comfort zone or can't bring themselves to be daring. But others might find themselves unable to break out of that box because naming is a compromise, and can you really expect your I-like-Nathan-and-Jessica partner to go along with Ignatius Zimri? Very probably not, so why waste your time with it? As someone whose boyfriend has mentioned that he likes names like Nathan and Jessica (and other stuff that's "normal"), I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that I can get away with the likes of Atticus Tarquin or whatever.
This doesn't mean that I'm a fan of predictability, however. In fact, I feel like I'm being too predictable lately, and it's partly because I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with my own 'filler' middle names, like Violet, Juliet, and Delphine. I can trust them to work with most any name, but when I use them with most any name (and see them around the boards all the time), they get old. This is why we need more users who will suggest something novel - because personally, I don't want to get in a name rut, and who doesn't want to see a Euphemia Agnes Severina or what-have-you among all the Ava Graces, Eleanor Violets, and Rosemary Catherines?
I really wish posters with more unique tastes wouldn't go - they're the best part of this board. I don't want to let myself get talked into Maura Violet or Quentin Nathaniel if I could have Maura Guinevere or Quentin Emrys (or something even more adventurous than those) instead, you know?
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To clarify, since I feel my point may have been misinterpreted
I'm just trying to get another point of view out there. I feel like a lot of people are not really understanding where one another are coming from entirely, and I'm just giving my perspective on it.
I'd be happy to discuss any of the more outlandish names I mentioned (or even names more unconventional than those) with anyone seriously interested in them. I'd be happy to discuss them for myself if I were feeling a bit whimsical. But I think that most of the time the majority of this board wants to come up with something both distinguishable and workable: something that reflects their tastes while maintaining a subtlety that wouldn't shock, say, their partner. I'm not implying that unusual names (by board standards) are a waste of time in general, I just think that if I tried to take them seriously I'd be in for a serious letdown when I had kids. And for the most part, when I discuss names on this board, I discuss them with the intent of one day using them.
Plus, if I let myself get too caught up in the whimsy of unusual names, I fear that one day something along these lines might happen:
Me: "We're naming him Casimir Orion! Or if it's a girl she can be Lyra Hypatia Ruby!"
Him: "...how about Ethan? Or Ashley? Or a divorce?"
Well, okay, perhaps it wouldn't quite be like that on either end, but to be honest I just don't want to get myself too attached to names that I suspect most people would balk at, because when I get attached to things, it's painful for me to let go. So I try to maintain some sort of conventional usability in my combos. If that's a problem or if anyone thinks it makes me boring, well, I'm not sorry. I understand the appeal of unusual names and have felt myself called to them by their near-irresistible siren song before, but I can see why people are afraid to drift away from the more mainstream, too. You know, whatever, I'm just trying to point out that there are legitimate reasons to lean either way, and if we could all see that then maybe this place would be a lot more...well, chill.
I'm just trying to get another point of view out there. I feel like a lot of people are not really understanding where one another are coming from entirely, and I'm just giving my perspective on it.
I'd be happy to discuss any of the more outlandish names I mentioned (or even names more unconventional than those) with anyone seriously interested in them. I'd be happy to discuss them for myself if I were feeling a bit whimsical. But I think that most of the time the majority of this board wants to come up with something both distinguishable and workable: something that reflects their tastes while maintaining a subtlety that wouldn't shock, say, their partner. I'm not implying that unusual names (by board standards) are a waste of time in general, I just think that if I tried to take them seriously I'd be in for a serious letdown when I had kids. And for the most part, when I discuss names on this board, I discuss them with the intent of one day using them.
Plus, if I let myself get too caught up in the whimsy of unusual names, I fear that one day something along these lines might happen:
Me: "We're naming him Casimir Orion! Or if it's a girl she can be Lyra Hypatia Ruby!"
Him: "...how about Ethan? Or Ashley? Or a divorce?"
Well, okay, perhaps it wouldn't quite be like that on either end, but to be honest I just don't want to get myself too attached to names that I suspect most people would balk at, because when I get attached to things, it's painful for me to let go. So I try to maintain some sort of conventional usability in my combos. If that's a problem or if anyone thinks it makes me boring, well, I'm not sorry. I understand the appeal of unusual names and have felt myself called to them by their near-irresistible siren song before, but I can see why people are afraid to drift away from the more mainstream, too. You know, whatever, I'm just trying to point out that there are legitimate reasons to lean either way, and if we could all see that then maybe this place would be a lot more...well, chill.
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I agree with you, and Lillian [m]
and Tippins, you all had good points.
Though not everyone on here thinks like that though (from Lillian's post). I noticed more, and more are becoming more "open" to unconventional names :o). However, you guys know how I feel about the whole issue I'm sure so that's all I'm saying, lol.
ETA: I disgree that only parents can name things though.
and Tippins, you all had good points.
Though not everyone on here thinks like that though (from Lillian's post). I noticed more, and more are becoming more "open" to unconventional names :o). However, you guys know how I feel about the whole issue I'm sure so that's all I'm saying, lol.
ETA: I disgree that only parents can name things though.
This message was edited 12/11/2008, 10:35 AM
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Array darling!
I miss you so much! I miss your voice here! I miss your wild ideas and your insightful opinions and I almost shouted in my post above, this is why Array's never here anymore! This is why Eden's never here! And here you are, just at such a moment. OMG I love you. And I miss you and your voice here terribly, and I'm so glad you piped up and I love Angeleta Paint Tomorrow Blue and you have to PM me sometimes because I never do LJ anymore and I miss you!
I miss you so much! I miss your voice here! I miss your wild ideas and your insightful opinions and I almost shouted in my post above, this is why Array's never here anymore! This is why Eden's never here! And here you are, just at such a moment. OMG I love you. And I miss you and your voice here terribly, and I'm so glad you piped up and I love Angeleta Paint Tomorrow Blue and you have to PM me sometimes because I never do LJ anymore and I miss you!
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Oi, do we really have to bait the drama?
Okay, so I typically avoid involving myself in drama like this because I just can't get myself worked up enough to get all militant over names, but come on, this happens way too much. I hate to see it and I hate it when it devolves into name-calling or insult-throwing or threats to leave the board. How does a comment on the unsuitability of 'Charles' for a girl (a legitimate opinion) spiral into this madness?
Okay, so I typically avoid involving myself in drama like this because I just can't get myself worked up enough to get all militant over names, but come on, this happens way too much. I hate to see it and I hate it when it devolves into name-calling or insult-throwing or threats to leave the board. How does a comment on the unsuitability of 'Charles' for a girl (a legitimate opinion) spiral into this madness?
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Not that I've got a clean slate or anything... but I do kind of agree with this. Not enough to really really get worked up about it, but it does get very tiresome.
Variety is the flavor of life, y'all. Charles is infinitely nicer (especially seeing as it is honoroing, and is pretty common to do so in such a way) than Chestina. Yes it's fun to make fun of really crappy names on occassion - like Chestina - but to get so worked up over something pretty normal? All the time?
In that way I get where Lillian is coming from.
Variety is the flavor of life, y'all. Charles is infinitely nicer (especially seeing as it is honoroing, and is pretty common to do so in such a way) than Chestina. Yes it's fun to make fun of really crappy names on occassion - like Chestina - but to get so worked up over something pretty normal? All the time?
In that way I get where Lillian is coming from.
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So are y'all offended b/c she's wrong or b/c she's right?
Seems to me like all Lillian was saying is that "OMG WTF" isn't exactly thought provoking. And that a lot of people who haven't named a child are being pretty critical w/o considering the reasoning behind what they're criticizing. And that, maybe, some people look for things to gripe about in names rather than actually considering their potential value.
I'm not saying she's right. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with her. It's just that some of the posts seem pretty defensive.
I also think it would be best to pretty much end this conversation. If you must gripe, pm someone and gripe all you want. PM me if you want. Just think about what you're posting before you hit the button.
Seems to me like all Lillian was saying is that "OMG WTF" isn't exactly thought provoking. And that a lot of people who haven't named a child are being pretty critical w/o considering the reasoning behind what they're criticizing. And that, maybe, some people look for things to gripe about in names rather than actually considering their potential value.
I'm not saying she's right. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with her. It's just that some of the posts seem pretty defensive.
I also think it would be best to pretty much end this conversation. If you must gripe, pm someone and gripe all you want. PM me if you want. Just think about what you're posting before you hit the button.
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Well, I would not say "Charles? WTF?" on a thread by someone asking for advice/opinions on names. It's a celebrity baby name announcement. It's already done and all we can do is state our opinions on it. That's why it was posted, and that's what I have done. It's different to trying to be constructive when someone is asking about name combos or whatever.
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While I'm not a fan of WTF and OMG etc I think they are able to express opinions pretty accurately. Sometimes when I see a name (e.g. Pornshea) I do think WTF and then I may state my opinion. And I think WTF or OMG sometimes explain things better than 5 sentences. Sad but true.
"And that a lot of people who haven't named a child are being pretty critical w/o considering the reasoning behind what they're criticizing. And that, maybe, some people look for things to gripe about in names rather than actually considering their potential value".
When I saw Charles I immediately thought it was a family name. And I never named a child, so what? Does that mean I don't think about names? Ridiculous, really. I always think about stuff like that. But just because the name has meaning to the person who chose it, it doesn't change the fact that they named a girl Charles, which is a name I despise on a girl.
"And that a lot of people who haven't named a child are being pretty critical w/o considering the reasoning behind what they're criticizing. And that, maybe, some people look for things to gripe about in names rather than actually considering their potential value".
When I saw Charles I immediately thought it was a family name. And I never named a child, so what? Does that mean I don't think about names? Ridiculous, really. I always think about stuff like that. But just because the name has meaning to the person who chose it, it doesn't change the fact that they named a girl Charles, which is a name I despise on a girl.
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By stating that they named a girl "Charles" indicates that it is in the first name position. I think that the fact that it is not in the first name spot indicates that its conclusion was not to put a boy's name on a girl but to honour. This is further highlighted by the clearly feminine first name.
In my opinion I reserve the middle name for honouring purposes, and therefore, I love to see whatever name it may be there to serve this purpose.
If it means something to their family I think it is wonderful, and I believe that the child will enjoy knowing that they were named after someone that meant so much to their parents.
A also prefer to see the orginal names used when honouring.
In my opinion I reserve the middle name for honouring purposes, and therefore, I love to see whatever name it may be there to serve this purpose.
If it means something to their family I think it is wonderful, and I believe that the child will enjoy knowing that they were named after someone that meant so much to their parents.
A also prefer to see the orginal names used when honouring.
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Okay so this is your opinion and that's fine. But I don't prefer seeing the original guy's name on a girl. I would've preferred Charlotte. End of story. So could you please stop telling me (not only you, Lili) that Charles isn't that bad on a girl? It's your opinion which is fine but mine is that I do not like Charles on a girl, no matter what so may I please be able to give my opinion as well without being criticized????
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No problem, sorry I didn't really mean to try and force my opinion on you but I understand how it may have appeared that way.
To be clear if they had given the name "Charles" to a girl for the sake of putting a boy's name on a girl I would have been disappointed. And I do not like Charles on a girl, but I do like honouring. - Just to clarify my position, not to influence yours. :)
I never meant to criticise your opinion, merely to express mine.
To be clear if they had given the name "Charles" to a girl for the sake of putting a boy's name on a girl I would have been disappointed. And I do not like Charles on a girl, but I do like honouring. - Just to clarify my position, not to influence yours. :)
I never meant to criticise your opinion, merely to express mine.
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Um
Sometimes I wonder why I post here.
Your post makes me wonder the same thing.
Normally you give great imput. I can understand that BtN can get tiring, but honestly? If you're going to be all snarky and arrogant, and if we're frustrating you THAT MUCH, the X button is located in your upper righthand corner.
Sometimes I wonder why I post here.
Your post makes me wonder the same thing.
Normally you give great imput. I can understand that BtN can get tiring, but honestly? If you're going to be all snarky and arrogant, and if we're frustrating you THAT MUCH, the X button is located in your upper righthand corner.
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Ya know, this is an OPINIONS board.
And just because you have no problem with naming a girl Charles doesn't mean the rest of us have to like it. I'm with mafiosa: just because not everyone is a parent and/or shares YOUR taste in names doesn't mean that we don't all have the right to state our opinions. Personally, I think Charles is hideous on a girl and would have honored him by using Charlotte, Carla, Clarissa, etc.
And to you, Lillian, how much thought do you put into YOUR posts before yelling at the rest of the board for disagreeing with a name choice?
And just because you have no problem with naming a girl Charles doesn't mean the rest of us have to like it. I'm with mafiosa: just because not everyone is a parent and/or shares YOUR taste in names doesn't mean that we don't all have the right to state our opinions. Personally, I think Charles is hideous on a girl and would have honored him by using Charlotte, Carla, Clarissa, etc.
And to you, Lillian, how much thought do you put into YOUR posts before yelling at the rest of the board for disagreeing with a name choice?
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And, uh, Lillian was stating an opinion....
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I agree
I mean come on, there are people who named their kids Kayghtelynne (seriously, I know a girl who spells her name that way), is their opinion more valuable or important just because they actually went through the process of naming a child? That argumentation is just ridiculous.
Yes, she wanted to honor her father which is nice. But she could have done that a million other ways. She could have waited for a boy to name or she could have gone with Charlotte, Charlene, Charlotta, Carlotta Charlize, Charla, Carla, Carlotta, Carline, Caroline, Carolina etc I mean the possibilities are endless. Charles is hideous on a girl.
and you (Lillian) are very very rude.
I mean come on, there are people who named their kids Kayghtelynne (seriously, I know a girl who spells her name that way), is their opinion more valuable or important just because they actually went through the process of naming a child? That argumentation is just ridiculous.
Yes, she wanted to honor her father which is nice. But she could have done that a million other ways. She could have waited for a boy to name or she could have gone with Charlotte, Charlene, Charlotta, Carlotta Charlize, Charla, Carla, Carlotta, Carline, Caroline, Carolina etc I mean the possibilities are endless. Charles is hideous on a girl.
and you (Lillian) are very very rude.
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Her father's name wasn't Charlotte
or Charlene Charlotta Carlotta Charlize Charla Carla Carlotta [again, you said] Carline Caroline or Carolina. She wanted to honor him with his name. I can see that and I don't even know her.
And if you (Lily8) don't get that then you are very very insensitive.
Also impertinent. I'm very certain I'm much older than you. So there. :p
or Charlene Charlotta Carlotta Charlize Charla Carla Carlotta [again, you said] Carline Caroline or Carolina. She wanted to honor him with his name. I can see that and I don't even know her.
And if you (Lily8) don't get that then you are very very insensitive.
Also impertinent. I'm very certain I'm much older than you. So there. :p
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I can't believe how narrow minded you are. Sorry, but this is YOUR opinion. YOU think that people should use the full name when they're honoring another person. YOU think Charles is fine on a girl.
I think that Charles isn't nice on a girl. I think that people can use variants on a name when they are honoring another person.
You see? TWO opinions. two DIFFERENT opinions. Did I ever say that your opinion is wrong? NO. Opinions can't be wrong because they're subjective. They are supposed to be because they are opinions and they reflect what ONE person thinks.
and YOU don't have the right to call me insensitive just because I dislike Charles on a girl no matter what. I can of course understand why they chose Charles for their daughter I understand why they were using it and I accept their choice but I still dislike it. Do you get it?
I hope that last sentence was a joke, really. Otherwise it's just ridiculous. Age doesn't make you more intelligent or your opinion more valuable than mine.
I think that Charles isn't nice on a girl. I think that people can use variants on a name when they are honoring another person.
You see? TWO opinions. two DIFFERENT opinions. Did I ever say that your opinion is wrong? NO. Opinions can't be wrong because they're subjective. They are supposed to be because they are opinions and they reflect what ONE person thinks.
and YOU don't have the right to call me insensitive just because I dislike Charles on a girl no matter what. I can of course understand why they chose Charles for their daughter I understand why they were using it and I accept their choice but I still dislike it. Do you get it?
I hope that last sentence was a joke, really. Otherwise it's just ridiculous. Age doesn't make you more intelligent or your opinion more valuable than mine.
This message was edited 12/11/2008, 2:40 AM
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Like Chrisell, I strongly suspect you of not having read my other responses before posting this.
I specifically said I do not advocate Charles-on-a-girl. Pay some damn attention. What I tried to point out is that there can be perfectly reasonable explanations why someone would choose that, and I wish those reasons could be acknowledged. I just wanted y'all to think! Other respondents in this thread have said, I get what you're saying and I still don't like it, and that's fine! That's all I ever wanted! Why is that so damn hard?
You called me rude. I called you insensitive and impertinent. Of course there's ridiculousness involved. This whole frakkin thread's gotten ridiculous.
I specifically said I do not advocate Charles-on-a-girl. Pay some damn attention. What I tried to point out is that there can be perfectly reasonable explanations why someone would choose that, and I wish those reasons could be acknowledged. I just wanted y'all to think! Other respondents in this thread have said, I get what you're saying and I still don't like it, and that's fine! That's all I ever wanted! Why is that so damn hard?
You called me rude. I called you insensitive and impertinent. Of course there's ridiculousness involved. This whole frakkin thread's gotten ridiculous.
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Excuse me, I DID pay attention to what you were saying. I read everything you had to say on this topic.
I also know that you are not a fan of Charles on a girl and that you were only trying to say that there was reasoning behind their choice. And do you know what? I got it. I got exactly what you mean.
But I don't care WHY they chose it. The question was whether we liked the name or not and I just dislike Charles on the girl. I considered the honoring part but I still dislike it.
I know that you only wanted people to see why they chose the name but most people don't change their opinion on a name just because it has meaning to somebody else.
I don't know if you read my answer properly but I did mention that I indeed considered the honoring part and that I still dislike it.
Nobody had a problem with you saying what was on your mind the thing that bothered me was HOW you said it.
You have been extremely rude and insulting. You called people name- Nazis and now you use "damn". What's wrong with you? I understand that you apologized for the name-Nazi part but something like that is just hard to take back. Most people wouldn't dare say stuff like that. I'm from Germany as well and maybe you don't understand how extremely insulting something like that is. You are extremely rude and thoughtless and just trying to defend your opinions all of the time.
I don't know what to say. You're correcting other people's spelling mistakes yet you aren't even able to watch your own language.
I may have called you rude but that's not a swear word as far as I'm concerned. And it's the truth.
I also know that you are not a fan of Charles on a girl and that you were only trying to say that there was reasoning behind their choice. And do you know what? I got it. I got exactly what you mean.
But I don't care WHY they chose it. The question was whether we liked the name or not and I just dislike Charles on the girl. I considered the honoring part but I still dislike it.
I know that you only wanted people to see why they chose the name but most people don't change their opinion on a name just because it has meaning to somebody else.
I don't know if you read my answer properly but I did mention that I indeed considered the honoring part and that I still dislike it.
Nobody had a problem with you saying what was on your mind the thing that bothered me was HOW you said it.
You have been extremely rude and insulting. You called people name- Nazis and now you use "damn". What's wrong with you? I understand that you apologized for the name-Nazi part but something like that is just hard to take back. Most people wouldn't dare say stuff like that. I'm from Germany as well and maybe you don't understand how extremely insulting something like that is. You are extremely rude and thoughtless and just trying to defend your opinions all of the time.
I don't know what to say. You're correcting other people's spelling mistakes yet you aren't even able to watch your own language.
I may have called you rude but that's not a swear word as far as I'm concerned. And it's the truth.
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You're relatively new here. You are at something of a disadvantage in arguments about my language because you have no idea the bombs I've set off before now. How I said what I said was much cleaner than what I've said in the past. I didn't even say fuck once.
Except that one.
I watch my own language very closely. Now you watch this:
I'm done with you. *poof*
Except that one.
I watch my own language very closely. Now you watch this:
I'm done with you. *poof*
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Wow. I'd be embarrassed to be talking like that. Well, I guess it's not my problem.
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I guess it's just to each their own. I personally would have gone with something feminine like Charlotte to honor Charles (just like my uncle wanted to use Olivia to honor his father, Oliver), but obviously she felt different. Oh well, we can't do anything about that now, the baby is already named. But yeah, even though I wish she had chosen a more feminine name, I see your point :)
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Thank you, Joan-Ay, that is very kind of you
and very civilized. More civilized than me at this point. I appreciate your kindness.
Thanks again.
Also, it's snowing in Houston right now. Nickel sized flakes this afternoon. It was magic. Just so you know.
Thanks one more time.
and very civilized. More civilized than me at this point. I appreciate your kindness.
Thanks again.
Also, it's snowing in Houston right now. Nickel sized flakes this afternoon. It was magic. Just so you know.
Thanks one more time.
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You're very welcome!
And yes I heard about the snow! How cool is that?! My friend Delores was telling me about it just a little bit ago :D
And yes I heard about the snow! How cool is that?! My friend Delores was telling me about it just a little bit ago :D
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That doesn't make tiresome opinions less tiresome.
And you guys offer up tiresome opinions way more than anyone scolds you for it.
It is like being on a board about music where everyone persistently and universally condemns rock and roll as electronic noise.
And you guys offer up tiresome opinions way more than anyone scolds you for it.
It is like being on a board about music where everyone persistently and universally condemns rock and roll as electronic noise.
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Adios.
This is what I don't understand.
If someone does not like the board, why post here? There are thousands of other name boards out there, you post there. Why? I chose the boards I post on because I tend to have things in common with people and I find what they read interesting. If you continually disagree and find this board boring - then why post here? This is what I don't understand.
Why don't you and Array flutter off, set up a few more websites, insult people and act like elitists while accusing everyone ELSE of being one? Either that or accept the way the board is AND STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT. You CHOSE to be here. You CHOSE to make these posts - and from what I have seen from your posts most people have been accepting.
Just wow. If you don't like the board, then get out. I have enjoyed your past discussions, I have enjoyed the fact that you have changed my opinions on various names and what-not...but I don't your petulant, childish antics.
This is what I don't understand.
If someone does not like the board, why post here? There are thousands of other name boards out there, you post there. Why? I chose the boards I post on because I tend to have things in common with people and I find what they read interesting. If you continually disagree and find this board boring - then why post here? This is what I don't understand.
Why don't you and Array flutter off, set up a few more websites, insult people and act like elitists while accusing everyone ELSE of being one? Either that or accept the way the board is AND STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT. You CHOSE to be here. You CHOSE to make these posts - and from what I have seen from your posts most people have been accepting.
Just wow. If you don't like the board, then get out. I have enjoyed your past discussions, I have enjoyed the fact that you have changed my opinions on various names and what-not...but I don't your petulant, childish antics.
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Of course.
Because it would be a bit weird to be "scolded" for expressing opinions on an opinion board. I for one like these "tiresome" opinions much better than the "OMG OMG JAYMZ ON A GIRL IS SO KEWT! U GO GIRL!!!" sentiments of other naming boards out there.
Because it would be a bit weird to be "scolded" for expressing opinions on an opinion board. I for one like these "tiresome" opinions much better than the "OMG OMG JAYMZ ON A GIRL IS SO KEWT! U GO GIRL!!!" sentiments of other naming boards out there.
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Ohforcryingoutloud
Lately you've been acting rather elitist, if I may say so.
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps we do overreact.
But nobody's forcing you to come post here. Nobody's forcing you on the opinions board.
You get away with a lot of really bratty posts because you type them in a silly format.
"you guys"... jeez... we're not a collective.
Lately you've been acting rather elitist, if I may say so.
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps we do overreact.
But nobody's forcing you to come post here. Nobody's forcing you on the opinions board.
You get away with a lot of really bratty posts because you type them in a silly format.
"you guys"... jeez... we're not a collective.
This message was edited 12/10/2008, 3:10 PM
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I second that notion
First and for most... Lilian is entitled to her utter distain in our opinions just as much as "we" can despise Charles on a girl. ;-)
that said... this is an opinion board and that's what we come here for. not everyone is going to agree and you can't please everyone. just don't take it personally. If it's too much for you to handle, then sorry to see you go.
First and for most... Lilian is entitled to her utter distain in our opinions just as much as "we" can despise Charles on a girl. ;-)
that said... this is an opinion board and that's what we come here for. not everyone is going to agree and you can't please everyone. just don't take it personally. If it's too much for you to handle, then sorry to see you go.
This message was edited 12/10/2008, 3:36 PM
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opposite of elitist
In reality, I am incredibly sick of BTN and only keep coming back because I can't get my mind off more and more and more names and I always other namenerds to talk to, and there are a few posters who have opinions worth reading anymore. Do you guys realize how repetitive you are? Here is the formula for 80%+ of your opinions:
(legit name) (legit name) : Good / NMS but good
(legit name misspelled even if you do not like it spelled right and even if it is unpronouncable in english the normal way) : Whyyyyy [correct spelling] would have been sooo much better
(surname at all): Bad if it is not honoring
(word name that is not Rose or Grace or whatever) : Bad
(unless you are a little bit daring and say 'you know I kind of like ocean or nightingale or whatever and then get really bold by shortlisting them)
(typical of black people) : Stripperish / Cruel
It isn't that you do not have any rights to your opinions. It's just that they are very rarely interesting at all. It's like being stuck in a time warp. You drive all the interesting people to frustration and/or leaving.
I guess I should try not to come back this time. So long, everyone. I don't think I'll be missed much; I have been pretty cranky/bratty lately, and besides I didn't sit around asking opinions of Charlotte Louisa (lovely! OR fine; I'm sick of Charlotte) and James Frederick (very handsome; [frederick is nms but fine] OR [frederick is sooo handsome] and I love James, sooo glad it's not on a girl) all the time. (James and Charlotte *swoons* what a lovely sibset!!)
I must understand that I have no idea what you mean by formatted sillily.
Not that I care pretty much at all, at this point.
In reality, I am incredibly sick of BTN and only keep coming back because I can't get my mind off more and more and more names and I always other namenerds to talk to, and there are a few posters who have opinions worth reading anymore. Do you guys realize how repetitive you are? Here is the formula for 80%+ of your opinions:
(legit name) (legit name) : Good / NMS but good
(legit name misspelled even if you do not like it spelled right and even if it is unpronouncable in english the normal way) : Whyyyyy [correct spelling] would have been sooo much better
(surname at all): Bad if it is not honoring
(word name that is not Rose or Grace or whatever) : Bad
(unless you are a little bit daring and say 'you know I kind of like ocean or nightingale or whatever and then get really bold by shortlisting them)
(typical of black people) : Stripperish / Cruel
It isn't that you do not have any rights to your opinions. It's just that they are very rarely interesting at all. It's like being stuck in a time warp. You drive all the interesting people to frustration and/or leaving.
I guess I should try not to come back this time. So long, everyone. I don't think I'll be missed much; I have been pretty cranky/bratty lately, and besides I didn't sit around asking opinions of Charlotte Louisa (lovely! OR fine; I'm sick of Charlotte) and James Frederick (very handsome; [frederick is nms but fine] OR [frederick is sooo handsome] and I love James, sooo glad it's not on a girl) all the time. (James and Charlotte *swoons* what a lovely sibset!!)
I must understand that I have no idea what you mean by formatted sillily.
Not that I care pretty much at all, at this point.
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I feel the same way sometimes
I used to be heavily into traditional names, but recently my list has gotten wackier just because old-fashioned names that are spelled perfectly correctly are kinda boring after a while. I've been trying to expand my horizons and I encourage others to do the same.
I used to be heavily into traditional names, but recently my list has gotten wackier just because old-fashioned names that are spelled perfectly correctly are kinda boring after a while. I've been trying to expand my horizons and I encourage others to do the same.
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Please don't leave.
Maybe take a while to come back, but please don't leave. I don't want Lillian to leave, either.
:(
Maybe take a while to come back, but please don't leave. I don't want Lillian to leave, either.
:(
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It would be a terrible shame for you to go.
Your posts are always, interesting, vibrant and intelligent (even if a little head-strong at times :) ).
Your posts are always, interesting, vibrant and intelligent (even if a little head-strong at times :) ).
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I agree
For the most part, your names are totally not my style, but that doesn't stop me from thinking that 99% of your combos are really awesome.
I'm sorry that you think the opinions here are getting to be predictable, though I can see where you're coming from. But it's posters like you who would suggest something other than 'Charlotte' or 'James' to pair with those first names I haven't yet settled on a combo for, so I'd hate to see you go.
For the most part, your names are totally not my style, but that doesn't stop me from thinking that 99% of your combos are really awesome.
I'm sorry that you think the opinions here are getting to be predictable, though I can see where you're coming from. But it's posters like you who would suggest something other than 'Charlotte' or 'James' to pair with those first names I haven't yet settled on a combo for, so I'd hate to see you go.
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Tippins,
Have you discovered BabyNameWizard.com? (I sound like an ad haha). It's a good source for baby name fix and opinions that isn't in a messageboard feedback so its not so much like an opinion poll i.m.o.
EDITED: Because I meant Wizard, not world
Have you discovered BabyNameWizard.com? (I sound like an ad haha). It's a good source for baby name fix and opinions that isn't in a messageboard feedback so its not so much like an opinion poll i.m.o.
EDITED: Because I meant Wizard, not world
This message was edited 12/10/2008, 4:43 PM
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0h well, why don't you just exchange email addresses with the people whose opinions you value and leave this board? Sorry, not trying to be mean, just an honest question. We have email addresses and msn messengers you really don't need to come here if you don't want to.
I like word names such as Snow, Egypt, Remember and Sky and a few last names as first names. But yeah, I dislike misspelled names. and even if I don't like the original name I still think Caitlin is better than Kayghtelynne.
I like word names such as Snow, Egypt, Remember and Sky and a few last names as first names. But yeah, I dislike misspelled names. and even if I don't like the original name I still think Caitlin is better than Kayghtelynne.
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Why are you criticizing people for stating their honest opinion on a name? Yeah it might be tiresome to read "Charles is hideous on a girl" but it's an opinion and the person who opened this thread was asking for opinions. So if you think they're tiresome, why do you even bother to read any?
and why do people have the right to scold me for my opinion no matter how many times I give it? It's just an opinion and I can give it whenever I'm asked to and nobody can criticize me for what I think. It's personal taste.
and why do people have the right to scold me for my opinion no matter how many times I give it? It's just an opinion and I can give it whenever I'm asked to and nobody can criticize me for what I think. It's personal taste.
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I agree with you too as a matter of fact
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Amen, sister.
For the record, I find being yelled at rather tiresome. But maybe that's just me.
For the record, I find being yelled at rather tiresome. But maybe that's just me.
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Yeah, for serious.
If people are tired of hearing criticisms about Charles-on-a-girl they can stop reporting sightings of Charles-on-a-girl. We were asked for our opinions. It's not as if we made a random post saying "you know what I hate? Charles-on-a-girl. Let's stew."
If people are tired of hearing criticisms about Charles-on-a-girl they can stop reporting sightings of Charles-on-a-girl. We were asked for our opinions. It's not as if we made a random post saying "you know what I hate? Charles-on-a-girl. Let's stew."
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So you're only allowed to have an opinion on names after you've named a child? Great, if this site worked on that principle, it would be pretty damn empty.
I still think Charles is a horrible name for a girl, no matter if it was her dad's or not. There are feminine versions of Charles, ya know. I'm not about to forbid anyone what to name their child, but I just as well won't allow anyone to forbid me to find their children's names bad and expressing that opinion.
Names like James, Charles and Vladimir on girls, and crap like McKayleighlynne make me tired and sad. I also don't appreciate being called a Nazi.
I still think Charles is a horrible name for a girl, no matter if it was her dad's or not. There are feminine versions of Charles, ya know. I'm not about to forbid anyone what to name their child, but I just as well won't allow anyone to forbid me to find their children's names bad and expressing that opinion.
Names like James, Charles and Vladimir on girls, and crap like McKayleighlynne make me tired and sad. I also don't appreciate being called a Nazi.
This message was edited 12/10/2008, 2:09 PM
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not to be snarky, but what if she didn't like any feminine version of Charles? (seriously how can one not like Charlotte!, lol). I mean why does it have to be a girl version just because it's a girl? What if they don't like anything, but Charles? Just food for thought.
ETA: Hope you day went well, mine is wonderful I got an A in one of my classes :o). Just to clarify I am not a fan of Charles on a girl, it's more GP for me. I can see all your points too. I guess everyone's just really different :o).
ETA: Hope you day went well, mine is wonderful I got an A in one of my classes :o). Just to clarify I am not a fan of Charles on a girl, it's more GP for me. I can see all your points too. I guess everyone's just really different :o).
This message was edited 12/10/2008, 6:48 PM
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Well, I can only talk from my point of view. If I didn't like any feminine version of a name to give my daughter, I would use a whole different name altogether. Yes, I know they wanted to have a relation to her father, and yes, there are worse names out there than Livia Charles, and yes, it's more understandable to call your daughter Charles for a beloved person than name her Jaymes because "male names make girls strong" and it's oh so cute, but that trend is just so, so annoying and tiresome (holy long sentence). One of my all-time favourite boys names is rendered pretty much unusable because it's been taken by the girls. I hate this trend with a passion and it has nothing to with an "open mind" or intolerance or wanting to stick to names like Ava, Mary and Elizabeth.
I, for one, am glad that where I live, stuff like male names on girls and tryndee made-up names are forbidden (and we still get our share of complete oddballs: Fanta, Emily-Extra, Galaxina, Pumuckel, Windsbraut ("bride of the wind") anyone?!).
I don't like Charlotte either, by the way, at least not the English pronunciation.
Congratulations on your A. :D And sorry for weird incomprehensive rambling. I'm horribly tired and it's the middle of the night and I need to go to bed.
I, for one, am glad that where I live, stuff like male names on girls and tryndee made-up names are forbidden (and we still get our share of complete oddballs: Fanta, Emily-Extra, Galaxina, Pumuckel, Windsbraut ("bride of the wind") anyone?!).
I don't like Charlotte either, by the way, at least not the English pronunciation.
Congratulations on your A. :D And sorry for weird incomprehensive rambling. I'm horribly tired and it's the middle of the night and I need to go to bed.
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Though I take it you strongly disapprove, I think Bride of the Wind, in English, is quite lovely. Windbride, maybe, as well. Very evocative, particularly because I am the daughter of a pilot. I have long advocated for the use of phrase names in one's native tongue and could easily see it as a mn. Windsbraut, because it is not in my native tongue, has the unfortunate effect of reminding me of sausages (brats), though I recognize that braut and brat have nothing whatsoever to do with one another, including pronunciation. My husband, who is American, so happens to have grown up in Germany, and he thinks Windsbraut itself holds promise. But he is like me, which is why (and is partly a result of the fact that) we married.
I did not wake up this morning intending to cause such a stir, mafiosa, nor did I think to myself, I'm going to go poke that mafiosa person with a hot stick. This all got rather more out of hand than I expected.
I would like to say, and I hope you will believe and understand, I was not calling you personally a Nazi. I didn't say just Nazi, I must point out, but name Nazi (though that distinction may be uniquely insignificant to you), though, yes, I did include you in that category. My choice of words was unfortunate but coincidental. I was not thinking of you being in Germany when I said that; though if I had, I can't honestly say I would have used another word, because, again, I wasn't trying to single you out. I meant it when I headed my post, "not just for mafiosa."
I meant the term broadly to apply to all those namenerds who are consistently intolerant of others' odd or unorthodox choices, no matter what rationale is demonstrated, as though there could never possibly be any reason good enough to break the sacred rule of xyz whatever today's rule is (boy names on girls, today). With my post I just wanted everyone to stop and think for a moment about why people make unorthodox choices. Was that really so terrible, to defend that little girl's name, and her thoughtful mother's choice? I don't think so.
I did not wake up this morning intending to cause such a stir, mafiosa, nor did I think to myself, I'm going to go poke that mafiosa person with a hot stick. This all got rather more out of hand than I expected.
I would like to say, and I hope you will believe and understand, I was not calling you personally a Nazi. I didn't say just Nazi, I must point out, but name Nazi (though that distinction may be uniquely insignificant to you), though, yes, I did include you in that category. My choice of words was unfortunate but coincidental. I was not thinking of you being in Germany when I said that; though if I had, I can't honestly say I would have used another word, because, again, I wasn't trying to single you out. I meant it when I headed my post, "not just for mafiosa."
I meant the term broadly to apply to all those namenerds who are consistently intolerant of others' odd or unorthodox choices, no matter what rationale is demonstrated, as though there could never possibly be any reason good enough to break the sacred rule of xyz whatever today's rule is (boy names on girls, today). With my post I just wanted everyone to stop and think for a moment about why people make unorthodox choices. Was that really so terrible, to defend that little girl's name, and her thoughtful mother's choice? I don't think so.
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Well, yes, the meaning is nice, but Windsbraut just a bizarre name, since we usually never use word names, much less so complex ones. Which is probably why I don't like those in general. River is a horrible GP of mine, probably because English isn't my first language. When I imagine calling someone "Fluss" ("river" in German), though, I see that it's gonna stay a GP forever. There's an actress called "Wolke" ("cloud") here (I have no idea how she got her name) and it's just really strange everytime someone announces her. It's just a thing to me, not a person.
I still don't like the word "name Nazi", but I do realise you didn't mean it like that. I just don't like "Nazi" being applied to something so insignificant. Maybe it really is my being German and being called a Nazi pretty often for it, though. I can't see it from another perspective.
I also don't see myself as intolerant. At all. Though if you consider not liking and disapproving of something as being intolerant of it, then I guess I am. It's not like I have much of a choice but tolerate it, do I? I can hardly keep people from using Charles-on-a-girl, Shanee'Quantaeiya, McMaddysynn, etc., etc.
I'm really going to bed now, I don't feel so good (which has nothing to do with you; I'm just really sensitive in the last few months). Good night. :)
I still don't like the word "name Nazi", but I do realise you didn't mean it like that. I just don't like "Nazi" being applied to something so insignificant. Maybe it really is my being German and being called a Nazi pretty often for it, though. I can't see it from another perspective.
I also don't see myself as intolerant. At all. Though if you consider not liking and disapproving of something as being intolerant of it, then I guess I am. It's not like I have much of a choice but tolerate it, do I? I can hardly keep people from using Charles-on-a-girl, Shanee'Quantaeiya, McMaddysynn, etc., etc.
I'm really going to bed now, I don't feel so good (which has nothing to do with you; I'm just really sensitive in the last few months). Good night. :)
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How can you describe a perfectly normal name as 'gross' or 'disgusting' just because its on a girl?
Could you not just have said 'I don't personally like it'?
I'm not trying to start drama by the way, just thought your wording was a little harsh!
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Could you not just have said 'I don't personally like it'?
I'm not trying to start drama by the way, just thought your wording was a little harsh!
:-)
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That is strange! I might be able to understand it if it was changed in a way to make it more like a girl's name but Charles isn't a unisex name!
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