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you should mention Bertha, Cambria, Agata and I were speaking of Ethel and Bertha farther down. I asked if she thought either could be redeemed. We agree Bertha's probably gone from modern usage. At least, I think, in the US. For myself, Ethel and Edith are in that same boat, floatn away, sorry!

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~Lillian~
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