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Help[Surname] Re: Ramgren
in reply to a message by Jim Young
Thank you so much, Jim! This is what I suspected, but I couldn't figure out the "ram" component of the name. Google translate came up with "frame" but that didn't seem to make sense, like "paw".
I haven't been able to trace my Ramgren line very far back, presumably because the family took this name in the 19th century. The swedes seem really great about record keeping - I wish there were a record of which families changed names and when.
Thank you again for your help!
I haven't been able to trace my Ramgren line very far back, presumably because the family took this name in the 19th century. The swedes seem really great about record keeping - I wish there were a record of which families changed names and when.
Thank you again for your help!
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Out of curiosity I searched for 'Ramsson" as a surname, and found that there is such a name. This raises the possibility that Ram is a forename, or perhaps, a familiar or diminutive form of a forename.
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This list of surname components give ram as a variant of ravn, meaning "raven".
https://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Surname_Elements_R
https://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Surname_Elements_R
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Wow, thank you so much for your help! So it may be Raven-branch - I like it.
Now for the Björn side of the family... I've read that can be from a given name, a nickname, a place name, OR an ornamental name, so I'm sure I'll be back for help.
Thank you again, and stay healthy!
Now for the Björn side of the family... I've read that can be from a given name, a nickname, a place name, OR an ornamental name, so I'm sure I'll be back for help.
Thank you again, and stay healthy!
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Björn means "bear" (a number of Germanic words have -n variants). It's a common element of dithematic names, but also occurs on it's own, as a nickname, and of course in place names. The Beo- in Beowulf is an Anglicized short form (in the poem Beowulf is a Geat, from Gottland), which creates a wordplay (it reads as bee-wolf, i.e. bear).
p b f and v followed by n frequently become mn>n if the intervening vowel becomes unvoiced, so Rafn becomes Ram, *sopnus becomes somnus (but without the -n stem remains sopor, sopio etc.)
p b f and v followed by n frequently become mn>n if the intervening vowel becomes unvoiced, so Rafn becomes Ram, *sopnus becomes somnus (but without the -n stem remains sopor, sopio etc.)
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You too, dear lady.
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