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Help[Opinions] Re: Full name for Daisy?
in reply to a message by Barbra
I quite agree. For example, with the name Daisy, I'm not sure I'd ever use it. If I did, however, I'd use it as a nn for Margaret or Marguerite since my late mother was named Margaret. Also, my three dds have formal names and it would feel strange and incongruous to not give Daisy a formal name to go along with theirs. Those reasons don't feel particularly pretentious to me. ;-)
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This message was edited 1/4/2019, 8:15 PM
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That's very interesting and from what I've read, names like Lily and Daisy were used as nns (for Elizabeth and Margaret) before flower names were used in the 19th century.
Also interesting was when I Googled the Margaret / Daisy connection, I found that Margaret of Anjou (née Marguerite) strongly influenced the use of the name Daisy as a nn in England when she married Henry VI because the daisy was her personal symbol (embroidered in her wedding dress). Her wedding guests apparently wore a daisy to honor her. Again, this was the 15th century where a flower name was used before flower names were generally used. Perhaps they were considered nns more than flower names.
BTW, I had a great-grandmother and a great-aunt both named Daisy Jane. Also, I'm currently rereading "Little Women" and am in love with all of the characters' names, one of which is Margaret "Daisy." :-)
Also interesting was when I Googled the Margaret / Daisy connection, I found that Margaret of Anjou (née Marguerite) strongly influenced the use of the name Daisy as a nn in England when she married Henry VI because the daisy was her personal symbol (embroidered in her wedding dress). Her wedding guests apparently wore a daisy to honor her. Again, this was the 15th century where a flower name was used before flower names were generally used. Perhaps they were considered nns more than flower names.
BTW, I had a great-grandmother and a great-aunt both named Daisy Jane. Also, I'm currently rereading "Little Women" and am in love with all of the characters' names, one of which is Margaret "Daisy." :-)
This message was edited 1/5/2019, 2:35 PM
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This is American solicitor Daisy, with siblings with the very formal names:
Maude
Clarence
Albert
Maximilian
Her full name was Daisy Ella.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_E._Nirdlinger
Maybe it is because I'm British, but generally it's considered pretentious to have a long name that you never use. I know more Freddie's than Frederick's, so Margaret 'Daisy', where the connection is not so obvious, comes across as snobbish.
Maude
Clarence
Albert
Maximilian
Her full name was Daisy Ella.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_E._Nirdlinger
Maybe it is because I'm British, but generally it's considered pretentious to have a long name that you never use. I know more Freddie's than Frederick's, so Margaret 'Daisy', where the connection is not so obvious, comes across as snobbish.
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I guess the name was popular then. I had both a great-grandmother and a great-aunt named Daisy Jane who were born around that time. The ggm had one sister named Cora and the ga had several siblings. The brothers all had formal names while the one sister was named Sallie. No rhyme or reason there. I will say that I grew up in the South and while I was given a nn at birth, I knew many people who believed in formal family names but called their children by a nn. Some of the nns didn't seem to be tied to the formal fns at all. The further north I moved, the less I saw that.
This message was edited 1/5/2019, 9:17 PM
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For me, throughout youth, I've been vocally called numerous different nick-name versions of my name - and other names unrelated. I am not certain how a name can be pretentious because others give (&/or assign) names - and also assign or maintain meanings. Throughout life, I've used numerous forms of my name - because others gave various nick-names to me.
While in the later portions of elementary school, my mother carpooled rides to catechism with or for a parent's (child) who lived around the block. Her name is Bobbie. We attended different elementary schools. We only really saw each other while riding to catechism. We were teased a little, sure, but not much. I guess she spelled her name Bobbie - which is how I did, because a few years prior, I was reprimanded for penmanship - that while writing Bobby, the tail of the letter 'y' would convolute the line beneath it. I do not believe that anyone from catechism knew how I spelled my name (which would not be constant anyway) - or how many fellow students in elementary school knew. I'll admit however, that she would be the first girl I knew by the name of Bobbie. I'd already "had" a female catechism teacher by the name of Mike - or at least this is the name she asked that we call her. I do not know whether her real or legal name is Mike, Michael, or some other form.
I had an aunt on my father's side of the family that would call me Winnie - due to my fondness for my mother's "Pooh-Bear" gift to me; the paternal aunt who called me this was not in any way affectionate but harsh - and a visceral pincher of my cheek - who'd then poke fun at me because my cheek turned red at the point of contact, as though I should have been grateful for imposing such a brutal forms of affection against my impressions of self.
I've had numerous nick-names - some were not at all related with my name--though many were. I am uncertain how any name-- given name or pet-name--given or assigned given by others, can be thought pretentious.
While in the later portions of elementary school, my mother carpooled rides to catechism with or for a parent's (child) who lived around the block. Her name is Bobbie. We attended different elementary schools. We only really saw each other while riding to catechism. We were teased a little, sure, but not much. I guess she spelled her name Bobbie - which is how I did, because a few years prior, I was reprimanded for penmanship - that while writing Bobby, the tail of the letter 'y' would convolute the line beneath it. I do not believe that anyone from catechism knew how I spelled my name (which would not be constant anyway) - or how many fellow students in elementary school knew. I'll admit however, that she would be the first girl I knew by the name of Bobbie. I'd already "had" a female catechism teacher by the name of Mike - or at least this is the name she asked that we call her. I do not know whether her real or legal name is Mike, Michael, or some other form.
I had an aunt on my father's side of the family that would call me Winnie - due to my fondness for my mother's "Pooh-Bear" gift to me; the paternal aunt who called me this was not in any way affectionate but harsh - and a visceral pincher of my cheek - who'd then poke fun at me because my cheek turned red at the point of contact, as though I should have been grateful for imposing such a brutal forms of affection against my impressions of self.
I've had numerous nick-names - some were not at all related with my name--though many were. I am uncertain how any name-- given name or pet-name--given or assigned given by others, can be thought pretentious.
This message was edited 1/6/2019, 1:34 PM
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It's always fascinating to me how names can evolve into other forms of the names or even nns.
Your friend named Bobbie reminds me of my dh's aunt. She died three years into our marriage. I called her Bobbie because everyone else did. It wasn't until her funeral that I realized her name was Barbara and I was the only in-law who called her Bobbie.
As for me, I had some rather silly nns growing up that were terms of endearment so I tolerated them for what they were. Those kinds of nns can be as special as yours apparently were. Still, I would have hated for anyone outside my family to call me those, lol.
Speaking of family nns, my dh (James) had very blond hair as a young toddler/pre-schooler so he was called Casper (after Casper the Friendly Ghost). He couldn't pronounce Casper. It came out like Gassy so he was then called Gassy which is pretty horrible, isn't it? Even at family reunions, he's still called Gassy!
I agree with you that nns smack more of being a preference/term of endearment and less of being pretentious.
Your friend named Bobbie reminds me of my dh's aunt. She died three years into our marriage. I called her Bobbie because everyone else did. It wasn't until her funeral that I realized her name was Barbara and I was the only in-law who called her Bobbie.
As for me, I had some rather silly nns growing up that were terms of endearment so I tolerated them for what they were. Those kinds of nns can be as special as yours apparently were. Still, I would have hated for anyone outside my family to call me those, lol.
Speaking of family nns, my dh (James) had very blond hair as a young toddler/pre-schooler so he was called Casper (after Casper the Friendly Ghost). He couldn't pronounce Casper. It came out like Gassy so he was then called Gassy which is pretty horrible, isn't it? Even at family reunions, he's still called Gassy!
I agree with you that nns smack more of being a preference/term of endearment and less of being pretentious.
This message was edited 1/6/2019, 7:26 PM
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