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Help[Opinions] Re: Sabrina or Serena?
in reply to a message by Starstrider
Sabrina as the Latin name of the river Severn is very lovely, as is the river for most of its length. I associate it with 16th or 17th century theatre, not sure why: a Ben Jonson masque perhaps? Too idle to find out. But that's also good.
Serena is a Williams sister and undoubtedly a remarkable athlete, but watching her is boring and she has an unfortunate body shape. I was at school with a very different Serena who was quite good at sport (not tennis) and generally cheerful and pleasant. So it gives me mixed messages. I'd rather meet a Sabrina than a Serena, and I wouldn't use either.
Serena is a Williams sister and undoubtedly a remarkable athlete, but watching her is boring and she has an unfortunate body shape. I was at school with a very different Serena who was quite good at sport (not tennis) and generally cheerful and pleasant. So it gives me mixed messages. I'd rather meet a Sabrina than a Serena, and I wouldn't use either.
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I thought Sabrina Williams had a very nice shape. She's very muscular but still has curves.
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You're right about the masque.
You're right that Sabrina is from a 17th century masque - except it's not Jonson, but Milton (Comus, 1634).
You're right that Sabrina is from a 17th century masque - except it's not Jonson, but Milton (Comus, 1634).
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why do you think Serena Williams has an unfortunate body shape? She is possibly the finest athlete in the world; certainly the greatest tennis player of our time. A body that can do that is surely a body in perfect shape?
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Oh, her body certainly does what it needs to do, that's for sure. I'm always amazed that she's been so injury-free: people like Raphael Nadal - not a lightweight - often experience joint problems, especially knees, hips and feet. And Serena is a large lady: compare her to her sister Venus. And, imagine yourself a dress designer. Would you rather make clothes for Venus or Serena? Whose body would be easier to dress?
I'm not happy with the idea of perfection anyway. It's got a lot to do with fashion. It's been said, don't recall where, that in today's world Marilyn Monroe would be considered in need of weight reduction and lots of time in the gym, and she certainly didn't have a body you'd expect to see on a modern actor/model/celeb. And yet ...
I'm not happy with the idea of perfection anyway. It's got a lot to do with fashion. It's been said, don't recall where, that in today's world Marilyn Monroe would be considered in need of weight reduction and lots of time in the gym, and she certainly didn't have a body you'd expect to see on a modern actor/model/celeb. And yet ...
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Marilyn Monroe ...
I think her body has been overhyped in more ways than one.
At autopsy she was five-foot-five and weighed 117. That is quite slender, much slimmer than the current average today. She had recently dropped twenty-five pounds, so maybe her top weight was right around 145. That's still below today's average but most would consider it reasonably slender.
In her day, people didn't exercise. I mean, they didn't go to the gym unless they were athletes, they didn't jog or run for fun. That doesn't mean they necessarily led healthier lifestyles; Marilyn drank and popped pills.
I hear all the time that she was a size 14 or 16, and this simply cannot be true. My mother wears a size 12 and she is heavier than Marilyn was at her (presumed) heaviest. I've also heard how amazingly small her dresses are when they were put up on display in a museum and that the woman in charge claimed they were too small to go on a size 2 manneuqin.
I don't think this can be true either. If I was guessing I'd say Marilyn might have worn a size 8. But even that is kind of meaningless when you remember that 1. Clothing sizes are not standardized at all. (I'm even beginning to think shoe sizes might not be either.) and 2. Celebrities have their clothes custom-made, and they can call it whatever size they want.
Hell, five-foot-five and 145 pounds isn't even what most people think of when they think of that popular but essentially meaningless term "plus sized."
I think her body has been overhyped in more ways than one.
At autopsy she was five-foot-five and weighed 117. That is quite slender, much slimmer than the current average today. She had recently dropped twenty-five pounds, so maybe her top weight was right around 145. That's still below today's average but most would consider it reasonably slender.
In her day, people didn't exercise. I mean, they didn't go to the gym unless they were athletes, they didn't jog or run for fun. That doesn't mean they necessarily led healthier lifestyles; Marilyn drank and popped pills.
I hear all the time that she was a size 14 or 16, and this simply cannot be true. My mother wears a size 12 and she is heavier than Marilyn was at her (presumed) heaviest. I've also heard how amazingly small her dresses are when they were put up on display in a museum and that the woman in charge claimed they were too small to go on a size 2 manneuqin.
I don't think this can be true either. If I was guessing I'd say Marilyn might have worn a size 8. But even that is kind of meaningless when you remember that 1. Clothing sizes are not standardized at all. (I'm even beginning to think shoe sizes might not be either.) and 2. Celebrities have their clothes custom-made, and they can call it whatever size they want.
Hell, five-foot-five and 145 pounds isn't even what most people think of when they think of that popular but essentially meaningless term "plus sized."
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I agree that people make up weird stories about Marilyn's body, but she did exercise, at least at the start of career:
http://www.allday.com/marilyn-monroe-did-some-crazy-things-to-stay-in-shape-2180808441.html
http://www.allday.com/marilyn-monroe-did-some-crazy-things-to-stay-in-shape-2180808441.html
This message was edited 4/8/2017, 10:47 AM
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eh...I think a body that can do what hers does is magnificent. I just see strength and power. Venus has a completely different build, even though they're sisters it's like comparing apples to oranges. I agree that her longer limbs appeal more to the current ideal but tbh I wouldn't call either of their bodies 'unfortunate'.
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I agree completely. Her body is powerful and awesome, capable of so much more than just satisfying society's feminine ideals. I can think if a lot of words to describe her body, and unfortunate isn't one of them.
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I Googled some pictures of her. My Lord she is muscular. Most female athletes don't get that muscular, and I don't think the majority of women would want to be that muscular. Her arms look like a man's. I'd like to be fit but I wouldn't want my arms to look like that. I think that must be what Anneza meant.
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