Message: "Twins" - Behind the Name

[Opinions] Twins

by Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 5:05 AM

What would you name twins if you had them right now?

I'll post mine soon.

g/g
b/b
b/g

#twins

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 5:07 AM

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- Amanda Frances

8/29/2008, 10:30 PM

Elizabeth Rowena & Martha Frances
Elizabeth Frances & Robert Joseph
Robert Joseph & David Matthew

This message was edited 8/29/2008, 10:34 PM

- Jen (from work) (guest)

8/29/2008, 1:26 PM

(If I didn't have to consult hubby)

g/g: Fiona and Josephine
b/b: Theodore and Oliver
b/g: Theodore and Josephine

- SunKiss56 +1

8/28/2008, 7:34 PM

Two girls would be Elena "Lena" Marie and Anna Isabella.
Two boys would be Aaron Daniel and Spencer Issac.
A boy and a girl would be Aaron Daniel and Anna Isabella.

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 11:24 PM

I like Daniel and Isabella.

- Evie Grace (darkblue)

8/28/2008, 2:02 PM

Drew & Adeline
Adeline & Rosamund
Drew & Charlie

- Caroline (guest) +1

8/28/2008, 1:53 PM

g/g: Anna Lark and Julia Laurel
b/b: Henry Edwin and Oliver Laurence
b/g: Alexander Gilbert and Louisa Frances

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 11:26 PM

I love Laurel and Alexander and like Louisa. :-)

- Delphi_Blue +1

8/27/2008, 11:47 PM

BB:
August Malachi H________ "Gus" & Levi Mattias B_________ (family names)
OR August Malachi Veritas "Gus" & Levi Ezra Mattias (nto family names)

BG:
Xanthe Lyric Evangeline & August Malachi H________ "Gus"

GG:
Xanthe Lyric Evangeline & Sonnet Elodie Liora

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 11:56 PM

I like:

Mattias (spelt Matthias)
Xanthe

- Ciarda +1

8/27/2008, 9:35 PM

g/g: Mirabelle Ruth & Vivienne Mae

b/b: Dominic Beck & Desmond Don

b/g: Willow Jane Ruth & Dominic Hugh Beck

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 9:38 PM

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 10:46 PM

I love Willow Jane.

- Ms. Veronica M (Veronica_Mignon)

8/27/2008, 7:41 PM

Girls: Bonnie and Clyde.

Boys: Jean-Luc and Remy because deep down inside, I too am a Francophile.

Both: Violet and Sebastien. Or Ari and Eden.

- Caemlyn (JessicaLeigh)

8/27/2008, 7:32 PM

Kelsie Grace *eigh*/Caemlyn Felicity River
David-Royce Huckleberry (Huck)/Magnus Roland Gilliland (Max)
Kelsie/David-Royce Magnus (Max)

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 7:33 PM

- Pink Princess +1

8/27/2008, 7:14 PM

g/g: Ava Elizabeth Ruby / Lily Rachel Mia
b/b: Jasper Moses Gene / Darcy Noah Max
b/g: Jasper Moses Gene / Phoebe Ava Lily

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 10:48 PM

I like:

Ava Elizabeth Ruby (prefer Ava Ruby Elisabeth)
Lily
Noah
Ava Lily

- Akua Topaz (SentimentalArgument)

8/27/2008, 5:24 PM

Option A:

Lucasta Belphoebe / Evening Susanna
Ulysses Milo / Valentine Roman
Alcyone Blackbird / Dimitri Prosper

Option B:

Leonora Sojourner / Annabel Voltairine (occasionally Nora and Annie)
Silas Morgan / Roman Oscar
Proserpina Winter / Jude Augustus

- Katra (Rowena)

8/27/2008, 3:57 PM

B/B: Jonas Malachi & Solomon Rhys
G/G: Sparrow Evelien & Storm Adelaide
B/G: Jonas Malachi & Sparrow Evelien

- Snapdragon +1

8/27/2008, 3:55 PM

Lydia Hesper and Rupert Arthur

Lydia Hesper and Beatrix Lenore

Rupert Theodore and Arthur Leopold

- Katra (Rowena)

8/27/2008, 3:58 PM

I really love Lydia Hesper, Beatrix Lenore, & Arthur Leopold. You have great taste in names!

- Oslin +2

8/27/2008, 3:05 PM

I'm tempted to go for slightly themey in the honouring.

g/g Iris Honor and Esme Margaret (grandmothers)
b/b Reuben Kenneth and Bram Patrick (father and grandfather)
b/g Noel Graham and Aster Gillian (brother and sister)

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 10:52 PM

I like Iris and Esme.

- Katra (Rowena)

8/27/2008, 3:59 PM

I like Iris Honor, Esme, Bram Patrick, & Aster Gillian. I've never really though of Aster as a name, but I really like it.

- Leonora (norah_girl) +2

8/27/2008, 2:36 PM

G/G: Penelope Celeste and Johanna Camille
B/B: Jasper Felix and Elias Alexander
B/G: Elias Alexander and Penelope Camille

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 11:57 PM

I like:

Camille
Felix
Alexander

- Katra (Rowena)

8/27/2008, 4:00 PM

I really like your girl's middle names, Celeste and Camille. Elias Alexander is a great combo.

- Nikki (Frozten) +2

8/27/2008, 2:34 PM

Hermione Anna Madeleine and Miriel Noa Isabella
Sebastian Kjell Vilhelm and Oliver Isidor Alexander
Hermione Anna Isabella and Sebastian Oliver Vilhelm

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/27/2008, 11:59 PM

I like:

Madeleine
Isabella
Alexander

- Andromache (Hannah Ruth) (Hannah Ruth)

8/27/2008, 4:58 PM

I love Hermione Anna Madeleine, and I adore Miriel.

- LuzDeTuVida +1

8/27/2008, 1:55 PM

g/g
Eve Laurie (Evie) and Roxanne Luz (Roxy)

b/b
Falk Orion and Ethan Thomas

b/g
Eve Laurie and Ethan Thomas

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 12:05 AM

I like Eve Laurie but prefer Eva Laurel.

- Sabrina Fair (tigerlilly)

8/27/2008, 1:12 PM

g/g: Charlotte & Winter
b/b: River & Winter
b/g: River & Winter

- Rosa (pinkmoon_lj) +1

8/27/2008, 1:10 PM

Rose Cordelia/ Vera Isibeal

James Valerian/ Frederick Augustus Keir

Niamh Susannah/ Eamonn Theodore

Maybe LOL. I'm so flip-floppy lately :D

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 12:06 AM

I like:

Rose
Isibeal (prefer Isobel)
James
Niamh
Theodore

- Dot (Spider from Mars) +2

8/27/2008, 1:09 PM

Alice Margery and Catherine Tomyris "Alice and Kitty"
Frederick Melchior and Ernest Gregory "Fritz and Ernie"
Alice Margery and Frederick Melchior "Alice and Fritz"

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 12:10 AM

I like Catherine.

- Rosa (pinkmoon_lj)

8/27/2008, 1:18 PM

Ooo. I like all of them so much.

Tomyris is great.

My grandfather and his brother were called Frederick and Ernest.

Ahh they're all magnificent!

- Andromache (Hannah Ruth) (Hannah Ruth)

8/27/2008, 12:57 PM

g/g: Evadne Cassandra, Vesper Andromache

b/b: Beren Evander, Rune Alaric

b/g: Beren Evander, Evadne Cassandra

- I_Love_Jesus +1

8/27/2008, 12:53 PM

Not sure about g/g and b/b but for g/b it would Christian James and Betty Jean

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 1:49 AM

Christian James is nice. :-)

- Emma Jenny (Emma McHnery) +1

8/27/2008, 12:28 PM

g/g Emma Catherine and Lily Patricia
b/b John Christopher and James Thomas
b/g John Christopher and Emma Elizabeth

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 1:52 AM

I like:

Catherine
Lily
James
Elizabeth (spelt Elisabeth)

- MariaNikolaievnaRomanova (MariaNikolaievnaRoma) +1

8/27/2008, 11:58 AM

Frances Esther and Dorothy Blythe nn Fanny and Dolly

Walter Ashley Kilgallen and Theodore Calvin Justus

Walter Ashley Kilgallen and Diana Hero Marigold

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye)

8/28/2008, 1:55 AM

I love Theodore.

- Loxandra (E.K.)

8/27/2008, 11:33 AM

g/g: Electra Chrysothemis & Charis Roxani
b/b Nikephoros Iason & Markos Telemachus
b/g Markos Telemachus & Charis Roxani

- Jacinta Ismene (curiouslystrong)

8/27/2008, 11:25 AM

g/g: Linnea Juliet and Violet Isadora
g/b: Phoebe Eleanora and Theodore Jasper "Theo"
b/b: Desmond Oliver and Blaise Geoffrey

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- number1212

8/27/2008, 11:10 AM

Brooke Adelaide and Zoe Naomi (g/g)
Isaac Atticus and Parker Seth (b/b)
Brooke Adelaide and Isaac Atticus (g/b)

- elsie (scholasticastewart) +1

8/27/2008, 9:57 AM

G/G: Sarah Agnes and Emily Margaret
B/B: Noam Marcin and Christopher Adair
B/G: Noam Marcin and Sarah Agnes

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 9:57 AM

- Bear

8/27/2008, 10:04 AM

It's great to see Agnes on a list for an actual child. I wish there were more of them around.

Christopher Adair is very dashing. If he didn't have good looking genes before he was born, that name alone will bestow them. :-)

- Megan (ClementineFox7) +1

8/27/2008, 9:52 AM

G/G: Guinevere and Felicity

B/B: Tristram and Dana

B/G: Tristram North and Clementine Fox

- Bear

8/27/2008, 10:02 AM

Guinevere, Tristram and Clementine are soooooooo cute.

Felicity reminds me of electricity, very perky.

- Bear +1

8/27/2008, 9:34 AM

Mine.

If I alone were to name them: Niamh / Aoife, Desmond / Malachy, Desmond / Niamh.

If I had to give that no account that I live with a say: Aoife / Mairead, Seamus / Thomas, Aoife / Seamus.

:-)

- Rosa (pinkmoon_lj)

8/27/2008, 1:13 PM

I ♥ Niamh!

And Aoife and Malachy and Mairead and Thomas and Seamus.

Heck, I ♥ all of them :D

- Little_miss_magic +1

8/27/2008, 9:17 AM

G/G - Alyssa Marie and Connie Elaine

B/B - Liam Alexander and Rowan Daniel

B/G - Aidan Terry and Connie Elaine

- Bear

8/27/2008, 10:01 AM

Liam Alexander and Rowan Daniel are sooooooo handsome. Too much goodness for one family to have all to itself.

- Laree (Miles_thegirl) +1

8/27/2008, 9:08 AM

Thoughts?

I wasn't feeling any of my usual combos today so all but one of these combos are completely on-the-spot (I've been playing with Zelda Hollis for a while). I'm kinda extremely proud of Ezra Fox, if it gets good feedback, it's totally going on my all time favorites list. Also, I was having trouble deciding between Mars and Lars, I adore Lars but I didn't think it felt right with August.

G/G: Zelda Hollis & Iris Grey
G/B: Iris Grey & August Mars
B/B: August Mars and Ezra Fox

- Megan (ClementineFox7)

8/27/2008, 9:30 AM

I love Zelda Hollis and Ezra Fox, though I do prefer Hollis on a boy and Fox on a girl. I could I interest you in Zelda Fox and Ezra Hollis?

- Laura W +1

8/27/2008, 8:14 AM

GG
Eloise Jane
Antonia Mary

BB
Callum Scott
Dexter Leo

BG
Callum Scott
Eloise Jane

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:59 AM

Aw, Antonia Mary can come over and play any time. And bring that little devil Eloise Jane with her.

- Rachel Shay (Evil) +1

8/27/2008, 8:10 AM

g/g - Helena Esme Seraphina and Avril Sofia Grace
b/b - Ashley Jacob Apollo and Edward Morgan Christophe
b/g - Helena and Edward [combos above]

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:58 AM

For "Helena Esme Seraphina," you win a new dining room set.

Thanks for playing, "Name that Child Superbly."

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 9:59 AM

- Amanda (Manda_Bear) +2

8/27/2008, 8:04 AM

At this very moment I'm feeling pretty adventurous, so they'd probably be...

(g/g) Juniper Athena & Allegra Soleil
(g/b) Juniper Athena & Sullivan Russell
(b/b) Sullivan Russell & Frederick Samuel

- Bear +1

8/27/2008, 9:56 AM

Juniper

I adore the name Juniper. Juniper Athena is a lovely combination. I love the way you mix nature and Greek mythology.

Every young hero in a story should be named Frederick. There should be a law.

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 9:56 AM

- Amanda (Manda_Bear)

8/27/2008, 3:51 PM

I'm liking Frederick more and more lately. My boyfriend's favorite uncle is Freddie, and the increasing exposure to Frederick is really making it grow on me. It's quite handsome.

Juniper Athena actually JUST hit me this morning. Usually I stick with Juniper Pearl (I know, I know, very "Benny & Joon"), but for some reason Athena popped up and I like it!

Thank you for your kind words :)

- Mireio (Anna21) +2

8/27/2008, 8:03 AM

G/G: Eva Caroline and Lara Katharine

B/B: Alec Jonathan and Till Matthias

B/G: Alec Jonathan and Elsa Caroline

- Bear +1

8/27/2008, 9:54 AM

Elsa Caroline!

Woot, woot!

- Mireio (Anna21)

8/27/2008, 10:15 AM

Glad you like it, you have great taste in names :D

Elsa honours two friends, and Caroline is my mother's name.

- Charlie Blue (Charlie1977) +1

8/27/2008, 7:57 AM

G/G:
Nikita Celeste Francesca & Amelia Abigail Esmeralda

B/B:
Elliott Conrad Konstantin & Bastian Kieran Maximilian

B/G:
Elliott Conrad Konstantin & Nikita Celeste Francesca

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:54 AM

Love Celeste, Esmeralda, Maximilian and Konstantin. :-)

- Allegra +1

8/27/2008, 7:44 AM

right now?

Eulalie Frances Madelief
Florence Ruby Lilias

Cosmo Henry Graham
Clarence Gabriel Arthur

Cosmo Henry Graham
Eulalie Frances Madelief

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:52 AM

OK. This is evidence.

I've followed your terrific polls and often wondered what you'd whittle your names down to. And now I know. :-)

Oh, to meet a Eulalie in real life one day . . . .

- CN (CSwe) +1

8/27/2008, 7:04 AM

Same old names as always

Girl/Girl:
Ellen and Astrid (which is problematic since I want to use Astrid as a mn for Ellen)

Boy/Boy:
August and Isidore

Girl/Boy:
Ellen and August

I'm not sure about Astrid and Isidore but Ellen and August are pretty much set.

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:51 AM

Well, if you have two girls, just dress one of them up as a boy and call her August. :-) "Ellen Astrid" is too nice to break up.

- Array (WeloveyouJesseLacey) +1

8/27/2008, 7:01 AM

Today:

DD/DD: Evening Rae, Adeline Ruby-Jean
DS/DD: Morpheus Ray, Evening Teresa
DS/DS: Ptolemy Ray, Morpheus James

Evey and Adeline / Morph and Evey / Ptolly and Morph

Array

- Megan (ClementineFox7)

8/27/2008, 9:34 AM

I love Evening, Adeline, Ptolemy, and Morpheus!

- Lily8 +6

8/27/2008, 6:47 AM

Estella Annabel Fay and Tabitha Elsa Noa

Conrad James and Richard Paul

Conrad James and Estella Annabel Fay

- Bear +5

8/27/2008, 9:49 AM

Elsa

Oh, please name a little girl Elsa. It's so elegant yet overlooked. We need more of them.

- Lily8 +4

8/27/2008, 1:15 PM

Yes, one of my daughters will definetely be named Elsa (probably middle name, but maybe I will use it as her first name). My grandma's name is Elsa, my mom's name is Elsa as well (even though she has always been called Elka) and one of my middle names is Elsa as well. The funny thing is that my mom has a cousin named Elso :P

- meg (guest) +3

8/27/2008, 1:57 PM

I am excited to hear the positive messages about the name Elsa. We are torn between using Elisabeth (hard to say fast and a name used by two in-laws already) or Elsa. We've been lately leaning toward Elsa because it's only two syllables and because its unused in the family. Opinions?

- Bear +1

8/28/2008, 8:15 AM

Yay!

I've already noted above that I think the world needs more Elsas. It's sophisticated, but sweet at the same time. :-)

Not that you asked, but it's very versatile combination-wise:

Elsa Charlotte
Elsa Mary
Elsa Beatrix
Elsa Johanna
Elsa Catherine / Cathleen
Elsa Margaret / Margot
Elsa Jessamine
Elsa Caroline (of course)
Elsa Meadow
Elsa Liv
Elsa Julie
Elsa Chloe
Elsa Germaine
Elsa Linden (you could plant a linden tree and watch them grow together)
Elsa Grace
Elsa Bridget
Elsa Gwendolen
Elsa Josephine

I could go on and on. Are you interested in hearing more? Or have you already settled on a mn?

- meg (guest)

8/29/2008, 8:59 PM

Keep the Elsa middle names comin'. Right now I am loving Elsa Margaret, but I 'd love to hear what else you can come up with. We are on the fence between Elsa and Elisabeth. I think I may prefer Elsa because it eliminates nickname options that come with the longer Elisabeth, but because it is so much shorter, I need different middle names for Elsa.

- Lily8

8/27/2008, 2:11 PM

I prefer Elsa. You could also name her Elisabeth and nickname her Elsa. I think I prefer Elsa on its own, though. It has such a nice sound and isn't so long and not so common. Elisabeth is beautiful but very popular. The thing is that you get many nicknames from Elisabeth: Liz, Lisa, Beth, Betty, Elisa, Ellie, Lily etc which is nice and you just get Elsie from Elsa. Still I would go with Elsa :)

- hannah_1721 +1

8/27/2008, 6:36 AM

Eleanor Sophia and Cecelia Claire
Rosabel Amelia and Asher Nathaniel
Joshua Charles "Josh" and Oliver Jude

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:48 AM

Save your Oliver Jude for my Niamh Annmarie, OK? they'd make a great couple.

- Lizzie_Jay +1

8/27/2008, 6:20 AM

GG: Lara Mairin and Josephine Eleanor
BB: Henry Wilbur and Theodore Philip "Theo"
GB: Lara Mairin and Henry Wilbur

I changed them about 5 times whilst posting them, but these will do for now.

This message was edited 8/27/2008, 6:20 AM

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:47 AM

Wilbur! So sweet to see you again. :-)

Great names all around.

- poppylena +1

8/27/2008, 6:19 AM

Isabel Deira / Josephine Alba

Isabel Deira / Charles Frederick

Charles Frederick / Edmund Theodore

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:47 AM

Oooh

Josephine Alba is a stellar combo.

- bananarama +1

8/27/2008, 6:15 AM

Girls: Penelope and Eugenia,

Boys: Leonard and Eugene.

Both: Leonard and Penelope.

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:46 AM

Eugene / Eugenia

I'm so glad that someone is thinking about Eugene for a son. It's one of those overlooked classics that's in danger of dying out. And the feminine form Eugenia is regal. My gawd, if I met a little Eugenia I think I would have to kirtsy (sp?). Delightful. :-)

- Violet (guest) +1

8/27/2008, 6:02 AM

I haven't figured out mn's for these yet...

g/g Alessa & Tallulah
b/b Grant & Henry
b/g Tahj & Taya

- Bear

8/27/2008, 9:44 AM

I heard Alessa for the first tie the other day. It's intriguing. Is it on the rise? I hope so. It's very historic sounding. Tallulah is so adorable.

- xPrincess27x +1

8/27/2008, 5:50 AM

g/g Emer Penelope & Bridget Éabha
b/b Micah Timaeus & Romeo Elijah
b/g Micah Timaeus & Emer Penelope

- Mar (X-Mar)

8/27/2008, 5:57 AM

g/g Emer Penelope & Bridget Éabha - Emer Penenlope is very nice. I don't like Bridget Eabha all that much.
b/b Micah Timaeus & Romeo Elijah - Micah Timaeus is nice, I love Romeo, but I can't stand Elijah

- quigonjecca +1

8/27/2008, 5:34 AM

g/g- Ophelia Luna/ Nereida Eve
b/b- Caspian Bjorn/ Owen Cade
b/g- Susanna Eve/ Charles Lorcan

- Mar (X-Mar)

8/27/2008, 5:49 AM

g/g- Ophelia Luna/ Nereida Eve - very nice! Both of them!
b/b- Caspian Bjorn/ Owen Cade - I like Caspian, Bjorn not so much and Owen Cade flows well, both it's a bit short
b/g- Susanna Eve/ Charles Lorcan - Susanne is okay, bt doesn't flow with Eve (and I prefer Suzanne or Susannah), I dislike Charles but I think Lorcan is very nice.

- Mar (X-Mar) +2

8/27/2008, 5:33 AM

GG:
Noa Odilia Elodie
Leila Catharina Philippa
or
Leila Odilia Elodie
Noa Catharina Philippa
or
Leila Odilia Elodie
Noa Philippa Catharina

(feel free to leave your vote :D)

BB:
Oscar Marino Constantine
Thorsten Philippus Marnix

BG:
Thorsten Marino Constantine
Noa Odilia Elodie

All MNs honouring, except Marnix, but that has a special meaning to me (would have been my name if I had been a boy).

- Megan (ClementineFox7)

8/27/2008, 9:36 AM

Noa and Thorsten are an adorable twin set!

- quigonjecca

8/27/2008, 5:37 AM

Leila Odilia Elodie and Noa Catharina Philippa are beautiful! And I love Constantine!

- Chrysanthemum (hayleyskye) +2

8/27/2008, 5:10 AM

g/g Willow Jane and Isobel Rose
b/b Phoenix Caden and Jacob Grant
b/g Phoenix Grant and Willow Jane

- Mar (X-Mar)

8/27/2008, 5:52 AM

g/g Willow Jane and Isobel Rose - Nice! :)
b/b Phoenix Caden and Jacob Grant - I like the sounds of Phoenix Caden (although Caden Phoenix would flow better), but I don't really like Phoenix as an actual name for a real kid. I liek Jacob and Grant goes well with it.
b/g Phoenix Grant and Willow Jane - Phoenix flows better with Grant than with Caden I think. Phoenix and Willow sound slightly hippy-ish together, but that doens't really bother me.

- quigonjecca

8/27/2008, 5:36 AM

Willow Jane and Isobel Rose have to be my favorites, but Phoenix Grant is really nice too.

- Nicola +3

8/27/2008, 5:08 AM

Twin boys;
Elliot Casimir and Theodore Ferdinand

Twin girls;
Josephine Primrose and Christiana Faye

Boy and a girl;
Elliot Theodore and Josephine Primrose.

- Lily8

8/27/2008, 6:48 AM

Oh I love Elliot and Kasimir was the name of my rabbit! I also love Theodore and Faye (prefer Fay) :)

- Mar (X-Mar)

8/27/2008, 5:55 AM

Twin boys;
Elliot Casimir and Theodore Ferdinand - I like Casimir a lot. Elliot Casimir is nice, I don't care much for Theodore Ferdinand, it's a bit like an old guys name where I'm from.

Twin girls;
Josephine Primrose and Christiana Faye - Josephine Primrose is lovely, I like Faye as well, but Christiana not so much.

Boy and a girl;
Elliot Theodore and Josephine Primrose. - I totally vote for getting Casimir back here! :)

- quigonjecca

8/27/2008, 5:35 AM

Josephine Primrose and Christiana Faye are lovely (o:

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