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Help[Opinions] A Precious Diamond?
in reply to a message by Sabrina Fair
Is it Even Legal to name a kid that?
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What will they call her? A? Ape D?
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yes but it's horribly cutesy(m)
And the "a" really bugs me, otherwise it would be just a cheesy combo. Is she really going to be called with her whole name, sort of: "Come on, A Precious Diamond! Time for dinner, hurry, up, A Precious Diamond!"
Not to mention the Dr/Judge/Rev/Executive director of the board test...
And the "a" really bugs me, otherwise it would be just a cheesy combo. Is she really going to be called with her whole name, sort of: "Come on, A Precious Diamond! Time for dinner, hurry, up, A Precious Diamond!"
Not to mention the Dr/Judge/Rev/Executive director of the board test...
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I don't have the same idea about the Dr/Judge/Rev/Executive director of the board that most of you all do.
In the first place, that's a really "middle class" idea. I don't think many blue collar or working class families will think of it as being at all relevant to their child's future happiness.
In the second place, it's not something that really is relevant to whether or not someone would make a good physician, etc., etc., so one should strive to overcome the original kneejerk reaction that those names don't "go together" with those occupations. You should choose a physician based on his or her credentials, not on his or her name.
In the first place, that's a really "middle class" idea. I don't think many blue collar or working class families will think of it as being at all relevant to their child's future happiness.
In the second place, it's not something that really is relevant to whether or not someone would make a good physician, etc., etc., so one should strive to overcome the original kneejerk reaction that those names don't "go together" with those occupations. You should choose a physician based on his or her credentials, not on his or her name.
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I'd actually concur with this
I've found myself really unable to do the Dr./Rev/etc thing lately - because I CAN see a Dr. Kayla McDonald, or a Dr. Precious or even a Dr. D'Shawna. Kayla would give me a minute's worth of shock because it's a young name to me, but that's it.
I still, think, however, that people do need to be cognizant of the fact that people DO judge people on their names - the same way the judge you on the way you look, act, speak, and dress. That said, each class of people dress/act in a certain way, and have customs and norms of their own. A Precious in African-American society will be accepted, and if/when she moves into a new social class, her naming choices will most likely reflect that move.
I've found myself really unable to do the Dr./Rev/etc thing lately - because I CAN see a Dr. Kayla McDonald, or a Dr. Precious or even a Dr. D'Shawna. Kayla would give me a minute's worth of shock because it's a young name to me, but that's it.
I still, think, however, that people do need to be cognizant of the fact that people DO judge people on their names - the same way the judge you on the way you look, act, speak, and dress. That said, each class of people dress/act in a certain way, and have customs and norms of their own. A Precious in African-American society will be accepted, and if/when she moves into a new social class, her naming choices will most likely reflect that move.
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I am blue-collar/working class, thanks, and the thought of a Judge My Little Darling Jones or Dr. Cookie-Puss Goldfinger is still laughable.
No, of course the name itself has nothing to do with their highly specialized jobs.
It has everything to do with
1. Without even taking race or socioeconomic factors into account, and without stopping to analyze your own prejudices (we *all* have prejudices) would you expect somebody those parents thought that kind of name was cute to grow up to be a judge? The apple very often doesn't fall too far from the tree, after all.
2. The Scooter Libby Principle: what would you think of a grown, professionl and presumably intelligent adult who still goes by such a name? Nickname or formal name, it's the same thing.
No, of course the name itself has nothing to do with their highly specialized jobs.
It has everything to do with
1. Without even taking race or socioeconomic factors into account, and without stopping to analyze your own prejudices (we *all* have prejudices) would you expect somebody those parents thought that kind of name was cute to grow up to be a judge? The apple very often doesn't fall too far from the tree, after all.
2. The Scooter Libby Principle: what would you think of a grown, professionl and presumably intelligent adult who still goes by such a name? Nickname or formal name, it's the same thing.
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I don't think much of Scooter Libby's name. He got a high position, after all. Condoleeza is a trendy name, yet look at her position. There's a Lovie Smith who's the coach of a great football team. Names wont prevent a person from getting an esteemed position, and if they really think it's their name that's stopping them, they Can always change it. Frankly I think it'd be more about the person's personality, skills, and ambition. A "bad" name is really a Scapegoat. though Cleveland could've left out the Comment about class. I really see no relevance in that.
This message was edited 8/2/2007, 5:38 PM
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people will get judged by their names even if it's unfair to(m)
Of course it would be wrong to judge a doctor or a lawyer just by their name, and no one is going to be actually entirely prevented from getting a good job just because their name. it's just that to a lot of people a trashy or weird 's going to make a bad impression. It'sl like with clothes, of course it's unfair to judge people by how they dress, but if you go for a job interview in a bank wearing torn jeans and lots of piercings, you're very unlikely to get the job no matter how great your credentials are (or if by miracle you do, you're going to get asked to change your look). As for working-class people not worrying about how the name sounds professionally, this is rather unfortunate, because it means they can't really imagine that their child might get an education and progress socially (whereas presumably most middle-class people think their kids are all go to college and have white collar jobs as a matter of fact, no matter how silly they may turn out to be). Ok, A Precious Diamond is better than Cobra, but only marginally so. In my own culture neither would be allowed anyway.
Of course it would be wrong to judge a doctor or a lawyer just by their name, and no one is going to be actually entirely prevented from getting a good job just because their name. it's just that to a lot of people a trashy or weird 's going to make a bad impression. It'sl like with clothes, of course it's unfair to judge people by how they dress, but if you go for a job interview in a bank wearing torn jeans and lots of piercings, you're very unlikely to get the job no matter how great your credentials are (or if by miracle you do, you're going to get asked to change your look). As for working-class people not worrying about how the name sounds professionally, this is rather unfortunate, because it means they can't really imagine that their child might get an education and progress socially (whereas presumably most middle-class people think their kids are all go to college and have white collar jobs as a matter of fact, no matter how silly they may turn out to be). Ok, A Precious Diamond is better than Cobra, but only marginally so. In my own culture neither would be allowed anyway.
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Just a random comment...
Scooter Libby's name is a childhood nickname and he hasn't always used it. IMO it is used politically, to make him seem a more benign character. It is definitely not an example of tacky naming.
From Wikipedia:
Libby was born to an affluent Jewish family in New Haven, Connecticut; his late father, Irving (Irve) Lewis Libby, was an investment banker.
The man is a US 'elite,' and isn't comparable to A Precious Diamond or to Sapphyre Skye.
edited to put elite in quotes so you know I don't look up to the man in any way whatsoever ... my point being just that he's from a fam that lives in the socioeconomic stratosphere
Scooter Libby's name is a childhood nickname and he hasn't always used it. IMO it is used politically, to make him seem a more benign character. It is definitely not an example of tacky naming.
From Wikipedia:
Libby was born to an affluent Jewish family in New Haven, Connecticut; his late father, Irving (Irve) Lewis Libby, was an investment banker.
The man is a US 'elite,' and isn't comparable to A Precious Diamond or to Sapphyre Skye.
edited to put elite in quotes so you know I don't look up to the man in any way whatsoever ... my point being just that he's from a fam that lives in the socioeconomic stratosphere
This message was edited 8/2/2007, 10:05 PM
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I agree
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I'd much rather be named Cobra, In fact Pandora Cobra is my stage name (I'm a Classical Guitarist).
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I agree...I would rather be named Cobra.
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To each their own. :)
Cobra does sound a bit better to me in second position.
Cobra does sound a bit better to me in second position.
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