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Help[Opinions] Woah.
in reply to a message by RoxStar
Your earthy sense of humor is usually hilarious, and even anti-intellectualism can be an interesting point of view, but here I think you're just being anti-intellectuals ... "some circles"?
Maybe your response is a misdirected reaction to the way CKE embarrassed Georgia in a rather (IMO) snide and sanctimonious tone. *nod* But without much rethinking, I believe you can see your own analysis is the overwrought one. An "overanalysis" of my own -
Only two facts are available:
1. a child named ZamZam
2. a Biblical place name of significance in some religion, ZamZam
CKE conclusion (no added assumptions): child is most likely named for place. This isn't overanalysis or finding significance where none exists, it's perfect effing logic, using the principle of parsimony (Always tentatively accept the conclusion that requires the fewest assumptions).
Projecting your own assumptions onto the unknown child's situation, you are "doubtful that parents knew or cared about name's significance."
Non-factual and irrelevant assumptions, judgments, biases you added to the mix to draw your conclusion (this is why I say you are the one "overanalyzing" if anyone is):
1 "based on [my personal] experience and knowledge of human nature"
2 "chances are the parents do not know the name of the well in the Bible"
3 "I didn't know its name"
4 "ZamZam sounds [to me] like a child's nickname"
I understand that you have seen a lot of crap naming, and I appreciate your sense of humor about it very much. However, in some circles there is a tendency sometimes to project one's own limited experience onto the whole world, and to find meaninglessness and alienation where significance may possibly exist for someone else. Sometimes, a Biblical reference is just a Biblical reference ... even if it's one you've never heard of that sounds dumb to you.
- mirfak the pedantic, in a self-consciously snide and sanctimonious tone
Maybe your response is a misdirected reaction to the way CKE embarrassed Georgia in a rather (IMO) snide and sanctimonious tone. *nod* But without much rethinking, I believe you can see your own analysis is the overwrought one. An "overanalysis" of my own -
Only two facts are available:
1. a child named ZamZam
2. a Biblical place name of significance in some religion, ZamZam
CKE conclusion (no added assumptions): child is most likely named for place. This isn't overanalysis or finding significance where none exists, it's perfect effing logic, using the principle of parsimony (Always tentatively accept the conclusion that requires the fewest assumptions).
Projecting your own assumptions onto the unknown child's situation, you are "doubtful that parents knew or cared about name's significance."
Non-factual and irrelevant assumptions, judgments, biases you added to the mix to draw your conclusion (this is why I say you are the one "overanalyzing" if anyone is):
1 "based on [my personal] experience and knowledge of human nature"
2 "chances are the parents do not know the name of the well in the Bible"
3 "I didn't know its name"
4 "ZamZam sounds [to me] like a child's nickname"
I understand that you have seen a lot of crap naming, and I appreciate your sense of humor about it very much. However, in some circles there is a tendency sometimes to project one's own limited experience onto the whole world, and to find meaninglessness and alienation where significance may possibly exist for someone else. Sometimes, a Biblical reference is just a Biblical reference ... even if it's one you've never heard of that sounds dumb to you.
- mirfak the pedantic, in a self-consciously snide and sanctimonious tone
This message was edited 5/27/2007, 6:55 PM
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I totally agree with you on one thing...
Which was that CKE was unnecessarily snide and condescending toward Georgia, who was after all, only saying what most of the rest of us had said. What did Georgia say that was so off-base that he had to come over like he was her fed-up teacher and had to snap at her to "look it up before you start spouting off," so to speak? Quite frankly, I think he was showing off.
But while I do think there is a possibility little ZamZam was named after a place of great religious significance, having seen ba's on this board for kids named Big Poppa, Champ, Samantha Pinkie-Pie, I still stand by my assumption that the parents did not intend their name choice to be of any greater significance than "it sounds cute." If we're tossing around old sayings, how about "When you hear hoofbeats, you shouldn't automatically assume it's a zebra. It's probably just a horse."
And we were all three snide and a bit sanctimonious in our own ways. We just happen to be on different sides of the issue. It's a draw.
Which was that CKE was unnecessarily snide and condescending toward Georgia, who was after all, only saying what most of the rest of us had said. What did Georgia say that was so off-base that he had to come over like he was her fed-up teacher and had to snap at her to "look it up before you start spouting off," so to speak? Quite frankly, I think he was showing off.
But while I do think there is a possibility little ZamZam was named after a place of great religious significance, having seen ba's on this board for kids named Big Poppa, Champ, Samantha Pinkie-Pie, I still stand by my assumption that the parents did not intend their name choice to be of any greater significance than "it sounds cute." If we're tossing around old sayings, how about "When you hear hoofbeats, you shouldn't automatically assume it's a zebra. It's probably just a horse."
And we were all three snide and a bit sanctimonious in our own ways. We just happen to be on different sides of the issue. It's a draw.
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