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Help[Facts] Popularity charts question
I was wondering are the popularity charts made up of just first names or are middle names used as well? I've always assumed that middle names aren't included as common middle names such as Marie and Lynn are very low down the popularity lists.
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Eleanor
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Eleanor
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This is number one on my wish list of "Things I Wish the SSA Would Do With Their Name Site" - add a top middle names list!
They add little things now and again - top twins, larger state-specific lists, and the cities-as-names game - to keep my hopes up that middle names will eventually be added.
They add little things now and again - top twins, larger state-specific lists, and the cities-as-names game - to keep my hopes up that middle names will eventually be added.
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Yes, they are just made up from first names because the SSA list where the data is drawn from does not include middle names.
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Really? That's weird! And guaranteed to distort the statistics, quite apart from confusing people who use their middle names, not their first names ... like my husband and several friends. Not that they'd appear on an American list, but you do take my point.
I've just started doing some very elementary genealogical research, and I also find it frustrating when just a first name and an initial appear: this is on UK census lists, and I've seen an Edward A, Sarah A and Florence B, but no indication of what A, A and B they were. Sarah Anne and Sarah Alexandrina would give very different impressions! And I'm betting that Great-Uncle Ted was Edward Albert, but he needn't have been ...
I've just started doing some very elementary genealogical research, and I also find it frustrating when just a first name and an initial appear: this is on UK census lists, and I've seen an Edward A, Sarah A and Florence B, but no indication of what A, A and B they were. Sarah Anne and Sarah Alexandrina would give very different impressions! And I'm betting that Great-Uncle Ted was Edward Albert, but he needn't have been ...
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The problem in making up a popularity chart using birth certificate data is that there is absolutely no way of knowing whether or not a particular child (or adult) is "going by" a middle name in everyday life. This sort of data just isn't available. It would be really nice to have separate lists of the most popular middle names, but to just add in the middle names with the first names would very seriously distort the true popularity of names as they are actually used, because the number of people who "go by" their middle names is small, and because there are a great many names, especially for women, which are hugely popular as middle names while being much less common as first names, such as Ann, Anne, Lynn, Marie, Rose, Renee, etc.
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True ... but they are still names in use, names being given (for whatever reason) and names which have their own fashions ... it seems churlish to ignore them! Does this apply to all the popularity charts on this site, do you know, or do different countries do things differently?
Wouldn't two lists be the real answer? One for the first names only, and one for all given names lumped together? It would be simple then to see how the distribution worked.
As for middle names ... my cousin Robin Thompson has Arthur as his first name, though there was never any intention that he would use Arthur. Wouldn't you rather be ART than RAT? My husband was given Ernest as his first name, after his father, who was named after a friend of his father. Neither of them ever used it, and our son is glad to have escaped ... .
Also, I suspect that middle name fashions change in the same kinds of ways as first name fashions, only more slowly. It would be nice to know for sure!
Wouldn't two lists be the real answer? One for the first names only, and one for all given names lumped together? It would be simple then to see how the distribution worked.
As for middle names ... my cousin Robin Thompson has Arthur as his first name, though there was never any intention that he would use Arthur. Wouldn't you rather be ART than RAT? My husband was given Ernest as his first name, after his father, who was named after a friend of his father. Neither of them ever used it, and our son is glad to have escaped ... .
Also, I suspect that middle name fashions change in the same kinds of ways as first name fashions, only more slowly. It would be nice to know for sure!
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Interestingly the statistics for Scotland have a separate list of the most popular middle names.
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/statistics/library/pernames/the-most-popular-names-in-scotland-2006/additional-names.html
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http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/statistics/library/pernames/the-most-popular-names-in-scotland-2006/additional-names.html
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This message was edited 3/2/2007, 11:45 AM
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